
What Founders Have To Unlearn To Become Great CEOs
Spenser Skates has spent more than a decade building Amplitude from a YC startup into a public company, and in that time, he's had to reinvent himself just as much as the product. Joining the Lightcone pod, he talks through the shift from founder to large-company CEO, the skepticism his team initially had toward AI, and the moment they realized the next wave of analytics would require a full reset. He walks through the hard reorgs, the bottom-up experiments, and the mindset changes that let Amplitude move fast againโand shares what it really takes for a big company to adapt when the ground under the industry moves.
Table of Contents
๐ What filtering criteria determines startup success according to Amplitude CEO?
The Persistence Factor in Startup Success
The Critical Threshold:
- The 1-2 Year Breaking Point - Every startup reaches a moment where rational analysis suggests quitting
- The Irrational Commitment - Successful founders continue despite logical reasons to stop
- Primary Success Filter - This persistence becomes the number one criteria separating winners from failures
Essential Startup Clarity:
- Define Your Learning Goals - Be crystal clear about what you're trying to learn from the experience
- Stay Open to Sources - Remain receptive to insights regardless of where they come from
- Avoid Common Pitfalls - Most people fail because they lack clarity on why they're building or what success requires
The Reinvention Reality:
- Analytics Evolution - A complete reinvention of analytics is coming in the next few years
- Leadership Positioning - Successful companies must position themselves to lead these transformative changes
๐ข What is Amplitude's background and market position?
Leading Analytics Platform Overview
Company Foundation:
- Y Combinator Alumni - Graduated from YC Winter 2012 cohort
- Leadership Structure - Spencer Skates serves as CEO and co-founder
- Market Position - One of the world's leading analytics platforms
Major Enterprise Clients:
- Cursor - Utilizing Amplitude's analytics capabilities
- DoorDash - Leveraging platform for business insights
- Walmart - Enterprise-scale analytics implementation
Business Impact:
- Global Reach - Serving some of the biggest companies worldwide
- Industry Leadership - Established position in the analytics market
- Enterprise Focus - Proven track record with major corporations
๐ค Why do incumbent tech companies struggle with AI product development?
The Engineer Skepticism Challenge
The Core Problem:
- Engineer Resistance - Many engineers at established companies are skeptical about AI capabilities
- Belief Gap - Technical teams don't believe in AI's potential, leading to reluctance in product development
- Startup Advantage - New companies can build AI-first products from the ground up without legacy skepticism
Amplitude's AI Journey Timeline:
- 2022-2023 - Initial AI relevance period with limited internal action
- Early 2024 - Continued skepticism and minimal AI investment
- Late 2024 - Recognition that AI could reshape analytics industry
Internal Resistance Factors:
- Skeptical Leadership - Co-founders and broader team questioned AI's practical applications
- External Pressure - Board members and investors asking about AI strategy without understanding technical realities
- Grifting Concerns - Frustration with overhyped AI promises and unrealistic expectations
๐ผ How did board pressure influence Amplitude's AI strategy decisions?
The Wrong Way to Approach AI Strategy
External Pressure Sources:
- Board Meetings - Investors and finance people pushing for AI adoption
- Sales Team Input - Revenue-focused teams suggesting AI as a hot market opportunity
- Executive Questions - Direct requests for formal AI strategy from company leadership
Spencer's Strategic Response:
- Rejected Pressure-Driven Approach - Refused to create AI strategy just because others demanded it
- Empowered Team Decision-Making - Told team members if they believed in AI potential, they should pursue it
- Avoided Superficial Planning - Recognized that asking "what's our AI strategy" was the wrong framework
Co-founder Frustration:
- Jeffrey's Concerns - Co-founder frustrated by AI grifting and unrealistic promises
- Abundance Skepticism - Doubt about claims that AI would create a world of abundance
- Job Replacement Hype - Skepticism about AI's ability to replace human workers effectively
๐ What technical realities shaped Amplitude's initial AI skepticism?
Understanding AI Model Limitations
The Jagged Capability Problem:
- Exceptional Strengths - AI models excel in specific, narrow applications
- Terrible Weaknesses - Same models perform poorly in other areas
- Unclear Boundaries - Difficult to predict which tasks fall into which category
Frustration with Uninformed Advice:
- Knowledge Gap - Advisors lacking technical understanding of AI capabilities
- Generic Recommendations - Pressure to "do more AI" without specific use case clarity
- Implementation Reality - Actual model performance didn't match the hype
Team-Wide Skepticism:
- Leadership Doubt - CEO and co-founders questioned practical AI applications
- Broader Team Concerns - Organization-wide skepticism about AI's transformative potential
- Evidence-Based Approach - Waiting for clear proof of AI's value before major investment
โก What changed Amplitude's perspective on AI capabilities?
The Software Engineering Transformation
The Productivity Revolution:
- Cursor Impact - Clear demonstration of AI's transformative effect on software engineering
- Tool Ecosystem - Multiple AI-powered development tools showing measurable productivity gains
- Undeniable Results - No question that developers became significantly more productive
The Turning Point:
- October 2024 - Amplitude began serious AI investment
- Proof of Concept - Software engineering productivity gains provided concrete evidence
- Strategic Shift - Recognition that "there's something there there"
Key Catalysts for Change:
- New Engineering Leadership - Hired Wade Chambers, described as a "Silicon Valley legend"
- Strategic Acquisition - Acquired Command AI, a Y Combinator company
- Change Agents - Both additions served as internal advocates for AI adoption
๐ ๏ธ How did Wade Chambers and Command AI accelerate Amplitude's AI transformation?
Strategic Leadership and Acquisition Impact
Wade Chambers' Contribution:
- AI Experience - Previous company experience working with AI technologies
- Industry Network - Connections with people on the bleeding edge of AI model capabilities
- Change Agent Role - Served as internal catalyst for AI adoption at Amplitude
Command AI's Product Innovation:
- Smart User Guidance - Technology to intelligently trigger guides for confused users
- Interactive Chatbot - Built chatbot similar to Intercom's Finn for user support
- Model Capabilities - Extensive experience leveraging various AI model capabilities
Organizational Transformation Timeline:
- October 2024 - Serious AI investment begins with new hires and acquisition
- Recent Launches - Multiple AI products released in recent weeks
- Future Roadmap - Major AI product launches planned for December 2024 through February 2025
The "Cursor for Analytics":
- Ambitious Vision - Planning to launch what they call the "cursor for analytics"
- Industry Impact - Expected to dramatically change how people use and leverage analytics
- Leadership Excitement - CEO describes being "incredibly excited" about this development
๐ What organizational challenges did Amplitude face during AI transformation?
Scale and Timeline of Change Management
Company Structure:
- Total Size - Approximately 800 people across the organization
- Core Team - Product, engineering, and design organization of about 200 people
- Manageable Scale - Small enough that leadership can know most people personally
Transformation Timeline:
- Full Year Investment - Required 12 months to get the team fully on board
- Belief Building - Process of getting team to believe in AI capabilities
- Skill Development - Ramping team members on AI technologies and applications
Change Management Reality:
- Even Small Companies Struggle - Despite being relatively small, transformation still took significant time
- Cultural Shift Required - Moving from skepticism to belief and active building
- Ongoing Process - Transformation described as still in progress by early 2025
๐ฏ What was Amplitude's internal focus before embracing AI?
Pre-AI Product Development Priorities
Core Product Expansion:
- Experimentation Platform - Launching new experimentation capabilities
- Session Replay - Building internal session replay functionality
- Activation Features - Developing user targeting based on behavioral data
Strategic Rationale:
- Clear Revenue Opportunities - Obvious revenue potential from existing product roadmap
- Competitive Positioning - Products that would improve market competitiveness
- Immediate Value - Solutions addressing current customer needs
Limited AI Exploration:
- Few Individual Contributors - Some team members testing AI ideas independently
- Cursor Adoption - Some engineers using AI development tools
- No Organizational Awareness - Company as a whole not conscious of impending AI transformation
Organizational Blind Spot:
- Focus on Immediate Needs - Concentrated on clear, present opportunities
- Massive Change Unawareness - Didn't recognize the scale of AI transformation coming
- Credit to Change Agents - Wade and Command AI team credited with showing what's possible
๐ How did Spencer Skates' conviction about AI evolve by early 2025?
From Skepticism to Aggressive AI Investment
The Conviction Timeline:
- Early 2025 - Spencer became fully convinced of AI's potential
- Strategic Decision - Determined Amplitude needed to be "very aggressive" with AI
- Organizational Priority - Made AI training the first order of business
Implementation Strategy:
- Engineering Focus - Prioritized training the engineering organization on AI capabilities
- Capability Understanding - Emphasis on understanding what AI can and cannot do
- Aggressive Approach - Committed to moving fast and investing heavily
The Light Bulb Moment:
- Transformation Recognition - Realized AI would fundamentally change analytics
- Competitive Necessity - Understood that aggressive AI adoption was essential for survival
- Leadership Commitment - Personal conviction driving organizational change
๐ Summary from [0:00-7:56]
Essential Insights:
- Startup Success Filter - The primary determinant of startup success is persistence through the rational quitting point that occurs 1-2 years in
- AI Skepticism Reality - Even successful tech companies like Amplitude initially resisted AI due to engineer skepticism and overhyped promises
- Transformation Catalyst - Strategic hires and acquisitions can serve as crucial change agents for organizational AI adoption
Actionable Insights:
- Clarity Before Action - Define clear learning objectives and success criteria before building a startup
- Evidence-Based AI Adoption - Wait for concrete proof of AI capabilities (like software engineering productivity gains) before major investment
- Change Agent Strategy - Bring in experienced AI leaders and acquire AI-native companies to accelerate internal transformation
- Organizational Patience - Even small companies (200-800 people) require a full year to successfully transform their AI capabilities and culture
๐ References from [0:00-7:56]
People Mentioned:
- Spencer Skates - CEO and co-founder of Amplitude, discussing startup success and AI transformation
- Jeffrey - Amplitude co-founder who was initially frustrated with AI grifting and unrealistic promises
- Wade Chambers - Engineering leader hired by Amplitude, described as a "Silicon Valley legend" with AI experience
- Harj Taggar - Y Combinator partner hosting the interview
Companies & Products:
- Amplitude - Analytics platform company that went through Y Combinator Winter 2012
- Y Combinator - Startup accelerator that Amplitude graduated from in Winter 2012
- Command AI - Y Combinator company acquired by Amplitude to accelerate AI transformation
- Cursor - AI-powered code editor that demonstrated transformative productivity gains
- DoorDash - Major client using Amplitude's analytics platform
- Walmart - Enterprise client leveraging Amplitude's analytics capabilities
- Intercom - Company mentioned for comparison with their Finn chatbot product
Technologies & Tools:
- Cursor - AI development tool that showed clear productivity improvements for software engineering
- Claude - AI model mentioned as one of the amazing tools improving developer productivity
- ChatGPT - Referenced as the launch that started the AI wave
- MCP Server - AI product recently launched by Amplitude
Concepts & Frameworks:
- Analytics Reinvention - The concept that analytics will undergo complete transformation in the coming years
- Jagged AI Capabilities - The reality that AI models excel in some areas while being terrible in others
- Cursor for Analytics - Amplitude's vision for their upcoming AI product that will transform analytics usage
๐ How did Spenser Skates realize AI needed to become Amplitude's top priority?
The Vision Acceleration Moment
Amplitude had always envisioned a self-improving product that dynamically responds to user feedback - knowing what features users like, when they get frustrated, and how to adapt based on input. Skates originally thought this vision was 10 years away, but AI developments in coding made it clear this future was much closer than anticipated.
The Strategic Pivot Decision:
- Recognition of proximity - The self-improving product vision became achievable sooner due to AI coding capabilities
- Organizational commitment - Decision to train the entire organization on AI technology
- Leadership collaboration - Partnered with James (Command CEO) and Wade (engineering leader) to develop training strategy
The AI Week Implementation:
- Leadership buy-in first - Got VPs of product and engineering managers to use AI technology
- Live demonstration - Product leader built a dark mode for Amplitude in front of the entire organization
- Hands-on training - Two days of training followed by hackathon-style work using tools like Cursor
- Bottom-up adoption - Focus on getting existing team using tools rather than defining what to build
โก What makes building AI products fundamentally different from traditional SaaS?
The Technology-First Paradigm Shift
Traditional SaaS follows a proven delivery loop: ask customers what they want, prioritize based on willingness to pay, build it, deliver, and repeat. This customer-driven approach has been Amplitude's core competitive advantage for a decade.
Traditional SaaS Success Formula:
- Customer feedback collection - Direct input on desired features and pricing
- Priority-based development - Build what customers will pay for
- Iterative delivery - Continuous improvement based on user needs
- Predictable roadmap - Clear understanding of market demands
AI Product Development Challenges:
- Jagged capabilities - AI technology capabilities are uneven and unpredictable
- Customer limitation - Users can't articulate what's possible with AI ("Give me a faster horse")
- Technology-first understanding - Must understand model capabilities before defining product features
- Capability mapping - Need to map AI model abilities back to product functionality
The New Approach Required:
- Internal expertise first - Team must become familiar with AI capabilities
- Experimentation over specification - Discovery through hands-on experience
- Vision translation - Convert technical possibilities into product features
๐ฏ Why is AI adoption happening top-down instead of bottom-up like other technologies?
The Sam Altman Effect
Unlike typical technology adoption where engineers drive company adoption, AI is following an unusual top-down pattern driven by exceptional leadership and vision communication.
The Unique AI Adoption Pattern:
- Executive buy-in first - Leaders, investors, and world leaders are convinced before engineers
- Aspirational vision - Ambitious promises about AI's transformative impact
- Capability gap - Current AI capabilities are still catching up to the stated aspirations
- Engineer skepticism - Technical teams see disconnect between hype and actual capabilities
Why This Reversal Happened:
- Exceptional salesmanship - Sam Altman positioned as the best salesperson of this generation
- Vision rallying - Successfully got people to rally behind OpenAI's ambitious vision
- Societal buy-in - People in power positions have declared AI technology as critical
- Reality lag - Capabilities are still trying to match the aspirations
The Amplitude Case Study:
- Engineer frustration - Team saw tremendous "grifting" in AI space
- Talkers vs. doers - Perception of many promoters but few actual implementers
- Recent capability recognition - Only in the last year did capabilities seem ready for analytics transformation
- Timing alignment - When technical capabilities finally matched the vision
๐ How did Amplitude's AI Week transform into actual product innovations?
From Training to Breakthrough Products
The AI Week initiative generated unexpected bottom-up innovations that became major product launches and business drivers for Amplitude.
Unexpected Product Outcomes:
- MCP Server - Unplanned development by engineer Brian Giori during AI Week
- AI Visibility - Created by Leo Jen, who was originally planning to leave Amplitude to start his own company
- Ask AI - Global chat interface similar to Cursor, launching in January 2025
The Leo Jen Success Story:
- Retention strategy - Convinced departing engineer to stay and learn AI while getting paid
- Free product approach - Built AI Visibility as a free offering despite initial leadership resistance
- Explosive growth - Product launch doubled new signups to Amplitude's free plan
- Sustained impact - Weekly signups remain twice the pre-launch levels
Bottom-Up Innovation Process:
- Engineer-driven ideas - Innovations came from individual contributors, not management directives
- Leadership sculpting - Skates and Wade focused on setting up successful organizational structures
- Experimentation freedom - Allowed engineers to pursue AI opportunities they identified
- Coaching approach - Provided mentorship and funding promises for future ventures
Upcoming Launch - Ask AI:
- Chat interface - Global AI chat similar to Cursor
- Data analysis - Pull charts, perform analysis, diagnose issues
- Agent capabilities - Multiple AI agents for different analytical tasks
๐ง What organizational changes did Amplitude make to enable AI transformation?
The Painful Restructuring Reality
Amplitude underwent significant organizational restructuring to transition from traditional SaaS operations to AI-native development, requiring difficult decisions about leadership and team composition.
Major Organizational Overhauls:
- Two complete reorganizations - Engineering, product, and design teams restructured twice since the start of the year
- Leadership transitions - Some leaders and executives who were strong in SaaS but not AI-native had to be moved
- Founder mode activation - Skates had to shift from large company executive back to hands-on founder approach
The Leadership Evolution Challenge:
- 10-year transformation - Skates learned to evolve from founder to large company executive
- Technology immersion requirement - No way to understand AI possibilities without hands-on experience
- Front-lines engagement - Leaders must be using the technology directly
- Bottom-up understanding - Organization-wide training creates grassroots understanding of possibilities
Structural Adaptation Requirements:
- SaaS modality leaders - Executives skilled in traditional SaaS but not bleeding-edge AI
- Capability mismatch - Need for leaders who understand rapidly evolving AI capabilities
- Cultural shift - From customer-driven development to technology-possibility exploration
๐ Summary from [8:01-15:58]
Essential Insights:
- AI timeline acceleration - Amplitude's 10-year vision of self-improving products became achievable much sooner due to AI coding breakthroughs
- Product development paradigm shift - AI requires technology-first understanding rather than traditional customer-driven SaaS development
- Organizational transformation necessity - Successful AI adoption required two complete reorganizations and leadership changes at Amplitude
Actionable Insights:
- Train leadership first - Get VPs and managers using AI technology before rolling out to entire organization
- Bottom-up innovation - Allow engineers to experiment and drive AI product development rather than top-down mandates
- Founder mode activation - Large company executives may need to return to hands-on founder approaches for AI transformation
- Free product strategy - AI Visibility's free launch doubled Amplitude's new user signups, demonstrating market demand
- Capability-first hiring - Replace traditional SaaS leaders with AI-native talent when necessary for transformation success
๐ References from [8:01-15:58]
People Mentioned:
- Sam Altman - Described as the best salesperson of this generation for AI vision and OpenAI leadership
- James - Founder/CEO of Command, collaborated on AI training strategy
- Wade - Amplitude's engineering leader, partner in AI organizational training
- Brian Giori - Amplitude engineer who created the unplanned MCP server during AI Week
- Leo Jen - Amplitude engineer who built AI Visibility and was originally planning to leave to start his own company
Companies & Products:
- OpenAI - Referenced for Sam Altman's leadership and vision in AI adoption
- Command - James's company, collaborated on AI training approach
- Cursor - AI coding tool used during Amplitude's AI Week training and hackathon
Technologies & Tools:
- MCP Server - Unplanned product developed during AI Week by Brian Giori
- AI Visibility - Free product created by Leo Jen that doubled Amplitude's new signups
- Ask AI - Upcoming global chat interface for data analysis, launching January 2025
Concepts & Frameworks:
- Self-improving product - Amplitude's vision of products that dynamically respond to user feedback and adapt automatically
- Founder mode - Leadership approach requiring hands-on technology engagement rather than traditional executive management
- Technology-first understanding - AI development paradigm requiring capability knowledge before customer feedback integration
๐ How did Amplitude reorganize twice in one year for AI transformation?
Major Organizational Restructuring
Amplitude underwent significant organizational changes to adapt to the AI-first future, requiring difficult decisions about personnel and team structure.
Key Restructuring Actions:
- Personnel Changes - Moved out team members who weren't the right fit for the AI-native direction
- Strategic Acquisitions - Brought in multiple YC companies and their founders to strengthen AI capabilities
- Team Integration - Combined new AI-native talent with longtime Amplitude employees
Major Acquisitions:
- Kraftful Team - Led by Jana, described as "phenomenal"
- Inari - Brought in Eric and Frank
- June - Added Enzo and Fuio (YC company)
Organizational Impact:
- High Disruption: Two major reorganizations in one year created significant operational challenges
- Cultural Blend: Successfully merged YC founders with existing Amplitude veterans
- Strategic Focus: Created a "very special" combination of AI-native thinking and domain expertise
๐ง What's the key difference between pre-AI and AI-native engineers?
Mentality Over Age
The distinction between successful pre-AI SaaS engineers and AI-native engineers isn't about ageโit's about fundamental approach to problem-solving and product development.
Pre-AI SaaS Mindset:
- Linear Process - Talk to customers โ prioritize requests โ build โ deliver โ repeat
- Incremental Improvement - Take existing state-of-the-art and enhance it systematically
- Predictable Workflows - Established patterns with reliable outcomes
AI-Native Approach:
- Ground-Up Rethinking - Question why things are solved the current way
- Interface Innovation - Create new user experiences from scratch
- Experimental Mindset - Comfortable with uncertainty and iteration
The Missing Pieces:
- AI-Native Gap: Often lack deep understanding of existing problems and why current solutions evolved
- Traditional Gap: Struggle to reimagine workflows in fundamentally new ways
- Sweet Spot: Engineers who understand that code isn't the end goalโsolving customer problems is
Successful Adaptation Traits:
- View technology as a means to solve customer problems
- Willing to learn new technologies while respecting domain expertise
- Combine deep problem understanding with innovative thinking
๐ค Why is the "AI killing SaaS" narrative overblown according to Amplitude's CEO?
Reliability Requirements vs. AI Limitations
The fundamental mismatch between AI's current capabilities and business-critical workflow requirements makes the "AI will replace SaaS" narrative premature.
Current AI Behavior Patterns:
- High Failure Rate - Most AI queries still fail initially
- Iterative Problem-Solving - Requires trying different models, prompts, and approaches
- Child-Like Interaction - Users must "rewire their brain" to work with AI's limitations
- Persistence Required - Success comes from multiple attempts with different strategies
Business Workflow Requirements:
- Absolute Reliability - CRM records must be stored with 100% certainty
- Guaranteed Performance - No tolerance for "80% probability" outcomes
- Consistent Execution - Business processes require predictable results
SaaS Strengths:
- Proven Reliability - Successfully moved workflows from on-premise/paper to cloud
- Workflow Preservation - Didn't transform processes, just improved delivery
- Performance Guarantees - Meets business-critical reliability standards
The Real Opportunity:
- Editing and Iteration - AI products must excel at allowing users to refine and correct outputs
- Hybrid Approach - Combining AI capabilities with SaaS reliability
- Gradual Integration - Rather than end-to-end agent replacement
๐ How did Amplitude balance AI transformation with existing product roadmap?
Integrated Enhancement Strategy
Rather than abandoning existing products, Amplitude integrated AI capabilities to enhance current offerings while maintaining four strategic priorities.
AI Integration Approach:
- Enhancement, Not Replacement - AI features like "Ask AI" chat interface make existing products easier to use
- Unified Product Vision - AI capabilities integrated into core Amplitude functionality
- Complementary Development - New AI features support rather than compete with existing tools
Four Strategic Priorities for Next Year:
- Rebuild Amplitude to be AI-native - Core platform transformation
- Improve Usability - Make the product much easier to use
- Competitive Parity - Ensure non-analytics products match competition
- Marketer Focus - Target legacy martech companies with superior offerings
Continued Traditional Development:
- Session Replay - Developing "zoning" functionality to overlay analytics on web pages
- Experimentation Products - Ongoing foundational improvements
- Guides and Surveys - Maintaining competitive feature development
Organizational Structure:
- Dedicated AI Team - Focused group for AI-specific projects
- Core Product Team - Continues improving traditional Amplitude features
- Equal Importance - Both tracks considered equally critical for success
๐ฅ How did Amplitude's "burning the boats" AI strategy affect team dynamics?
Natural Self-Selection and Cultural Commitment
Amplitude's all-in AI commitment created organic team formation rather than forced divisions, with employees naturally gravitating toward areas of interest.
"Burning the Boats" Philosophy:
- Clear Commitment - Made AI transformation non-negotiable across the organization
- Cultural Clarity - Eliminated ambiguity about company direction
- Universal Adoption - Applied to all roles, not just engineering
Natural Team Formation:
- Self-Selection Process - Employees organically chose their level of AI involvement
- Cross-Functional Enthusiasm - Designers, not just engineers, embraced AI projects
- Voluntary Deep Dives - Team members requested focus time for AI initiatives
Success Story Example:
Will Newton (Top Designer):
- Previously spread across too many projects
- Requested to focus exclusively on chat interface design
- Voluntarily said no to other projects for concentrated AI work
- Committed to making early 2024 launch "awesome"
Team Composition Benefits:
- 200-Person Spectrum - Natural distribution of AI enthusiasm levels
- No Forced Divisions - Avoided creating artificial cultural barriers
- Increased Productivity - AI adoption made teams faster and more productive
- Enhanced Problem-Solving - Teams approach challenges with AI-first lens
๐ฏ What controversial "features not companies" statement did Amplitude's CEO make?
The AI Visibility Debate
Spenser Skates sparked internet controversy with his perspective on AI startups, suggesting many are building features rather than standalone companies.
The Controversial Tweet:
- "AI Visibility" Statement - Made a point about AI startup viability that generated significant backlash
- "Features Not Companies" Argument - Suggested many AI startups lack the depth to be sustainable businesses
- Internet Reaction - The statement "made people angry on the internet"
YC's Counter-Perspective:
- Founders Over Ideas - Y Combinator's philosophy focuses on backing strong founders regardless of initial concept
- Recurring Pattern - "AI visibility" companies appear in every YC batch
- Optimistic View - Belief that great founders can build substantial companies even in crowded spaces
Market Reality:
- Popular Trend - The "features not companies" critique has become increasingly common
- Competitive Landscape - Multiple startups often tackle similar AI problems
- Validation Challenge - Distinguishing between temporary features and lasting business models
Strategic Implications:
- Incumbent Advantages - Established companies like Amplitude can integrate AI as features
- Startup Challenges - New companies must prove they're building more than just feature sets
- Market Maturation - Industry still determining which AI applications warrant standalone companies
๐ Summary from [16:05-23:58]
Essential Insights:
- Organizational Transformation - Amplitude underwent two major reorganizations in one year, combining strategic acquisitions of YC companies with difficult personnel decisions to build AI-native capabilities
- Mindset Over Age - The key difference between successful pre-AI and AI-native engineers isn't age but mentalityโtraditional SaaS thinking follows predictable customer-feedback loops while AI-native approaches question fundamental assumptions
- Reliability Gap - The "AI killing SaaS" narrative is overblown because business workflows require guaranteed performance, while AI still fails frequently and requires iterative problem-solving approaches
Actionable Insights:
- Integration Strategy - Rather than replacing existing products, successful AI transformation enhances current offerings while maintaining core business priorities
- Cultural Commitment - "Burning the boats" with clear AI commitment enables natural team self-selection and cross-functional enthusiasm without forced divisions
- Market Positioning - The "features not companies" debate highlights incumbent advantages in integrating AI capabilities versus standalone AI startups proving sustainable business models
๐ References from [16:05-23:58]
People Mentioned:
- Jana - Leader of the Kraftful team acquisition, described as "phenomenal"
- Eric and Frank - Co-founders from Inari acquisition
- Enzo and Fuio - Founders from June (YC company) acquisition
- Will Newton - Amplitude's top designer focusing on AI chat interface
- Andre Karpathy - Referenced for his perspective on AI workflow transformation challenges
Companies & Products:
- Kraftful - Acquired company that joined Amplitude's AI transformation
- Inari - Acquired company contributing to AI capabilities
- June - YC company acquired for analytics expertise
- Y Combinator - Startup accelerator mentioned for founder-focused philosophy
Technologies & Tools:
- Ask AI - Amplitude's chat interface for making analytics more accessible
- Session Replay - Amplitude product receiving "zoning" functionality updates
- Experimentation Products - Amplitude's A/B testing and experimentation tools
- Guides and Surveys - Amplitude's user engagement and feedback products
Concepts & Frameworks:
- "Burning the Boats" - Amplitude's metaphor for complete AI commitment strategy
- "Features Not Companies" - Industry debate about AI startup viability and differentiation
- AI-Native vs Pre-AI SaaS - Framework for understanding different engineering mindsets and approaches
๐ข What advantages do incumbent companies have over AI startups?
Competitive Positioning in the AI Era
Key Advantages of Established Companies:
- Revenue Base for Strategic Pricing - Companies with hundreds of millions in existing revenue can give away AI features for free as lead generation tools
- Customer Acquisition Power - Ability to provide tons of value without requiring customers to go through payment hoops
- Market Position Leverage - Can use AI as a competitive moat rather than core business model
Strategic Insights on AI Business Models:
- Real business must be downstream of AI visibility - Pure AI visibility tools will commoditize rapidly
- Content generation over detection - Companies like Ahrefs succeed by focusing on blog post creation rather than just SEO visibility
- Speed of commoditization - AI visibility features can be built and deployed in weeks to months, making them poor standalone businesses
Market Dynamics:
- Startups have advantages with no existing customer base and more forgiving early adopters
- Incumbents can leverage scale to offer AI features as value-adds rather than primary revenue drivers
- The key is building sustainable business models beyond basic AI functionality
๐ฏ Which companies does Spenser Skates think are most vulnerable to AI disruption?
Strategic Market Assessment from a Public Company CEO
Prime Targets for Disruption:
- Google's B2B Products - Described as "the worst B2B company of all time" with incredible opportunities to compete
- Workspace Solutions - Email and collaborative tools where Google moves too slowly and conservatively
- Coding and Development Tools - Google has proven the technology works but struggles with market execution
Specific Opportunities Identified:
Document and Productivity Tools:
- Google Docs competitors like Notion are already showing exciting progress
- Institutional slowness prevents Google from innovating effectively
- Only external competition forces Google to improve their offerings
Technical Support and Services:
- "Uber for tech support" - Matching tech-savvy young people with older users who need help
- Massive unmet demand for scaled IT support solutions
- Clear supply-demand mismatch in the market
Emerging AI Application Areas:
- Analytics with AI - Predicting a "cursor moment" in analytics within two years
- Enterprise AI adoption - Huge opportunity solving security and compliance concerns
- Specialized agent builders - Success comes from targeting particular problems and buyers rather than generalized solutions
๐ How did Amplitude pivot from voice recognition to analytics?
The Journey from Sonet Light to Amplitude
The Original Company - Sonet Light:
- Voice Recognition Pioneer - Early version of Siri that listened in background on Android phones
- First-to-Market Technology - Developed before "Hey Siri" or "Hey Alexa" existed
- Demo Day Success - Amazing stage demo, tons of press coverage, but product wasn't good enough
The Pivot Decision:
Why Voice Recognition Failed:
- Probabilistic Problem - Could never get a "right answer" consistently
- Product-Market Mismatch - Technology wasn't mature enough for real-world use
- Lack of Business Knowledge - Two college kids without understanding of successful products or businesses
Why Analytics Made Sense:
- Built In-House Tools - Already developed analytics for their own product needs
- Market Validation - Other companies wanted their analytics solution
- Better Problem Fit - Deterministic rather than probabilistic, suited for MIT algorithms engineers
The Transition Process:
- Timing: Right after YC Winter 2012 Demo Day (June 2012)
- Market Reality: Analytics was extraordinarily crowded, but they had unique advantages
- Technical Advantage: Could build scaled distributed systems with right answers, faster and better than competitors
- Learning Focus: Committed to mastering customer acquisition and sales, not just technology
๐ Summary from [24:04-31:59]
Essential Insights:
- Incumbent Advantage Strategy - Established companies can leverage existing revenue to offer AI features for free, turning them into powerful lead generation tools rather than standalone products
- Market Vulnerability Assessment - Google's B2B products represent massive disruption opportunities due to institutional slowness and conservative approach to innovation
- Successful Pivot Framework - Moving from probabilistic problems (voice recognition) to deterministic ones (analytics) can dramatically improve chances of success for technical founders
Actionable Insights:
- AI Business Models: Focus on building real business downstream of AI visibility rather than competing on basic AI features that will quickly commoditize
- Target Selection: Look for large incumbents that are institutionally slow (like Google's B2B division) rather than trying to compete with nimble startups
- Problem-Solution Fit: Choose problems that match your team's strengths - algorithms engineers should focus on deterministic rather than probabilistic challenges
- Pivot Timing: Don't be afraid to shut down after Demo Day if the product isn't good enough - better to pivot quickly than persist with a flawed approach
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People Mentioned:
- Spenser Skates - Co-founder & CEO of Amplitude, discussing his journey from YC founder to public company CEO
Companies & Products:
- Amplitude - Analytics company that pivoted from voice recognition startup Sonet Light
- Ahrefs - SEO and content marketing tool company mentioned as successful example of building real business downstream of AI visibility
- Google - Criticized as "worst B2B company of all time" with opportunities for disruption in workspace and productivity tools
- Notion - Document and productivity platform cited as exciting competitor to Google Docs
- Y Combinator - Startup accelerator where both Sonet Light and Amplitude went through the program
- Sonet Light - Original voice recognition company that preceded Amplitude, developed early Siri-like technology
Technologies & Tools:
- Android - Mobile platform where Sonet Light's voice recognition technology was first deployed
- Siri - Apple's voice assistant referenced as comparison point for Sonet Light's early technology
- Alexa - Amazon's voice assistant mentioned alongside Siri as later developments in voice recognition
- Cursor - Development tool referenced as example of transformative AI application that will have equivalent in analytics
Concepts & Frameworks:
- Probabilistic vs Deterministic Problems - Key distinction in choosing technical challenges, with deterministic problems offering "right answers"
- AI Visibility vs Real Business - Strategic framework distinguishing between commoditizable AI features and sustainable business models
- Uber for Tech Support - Business model concept for matching tech-savvy youth with older users needing technical assistance
๐ฏ How Does Spenser Skates Learn Complex Skills Like B2B Sales?
Learning Through Coaching and Practice
The Reality of Learning New Skills:
- Books and websites aren't enough - You have to actually do the work to develop real competence
- Find expert coaches - Get someone experienced who can guide you through the learning process
- Practice with feedback - It's like learning a sport or musical instrument - repetition with coaching is key
Spenser's B2B Sales Learning Journey:
- Started with misconceptions: Thought he could learn sales from books and online resources
- Found the right mentor: Worked with Mitch Mirando, a sales executive turned coach
- Got reality checks: Coach would challenge his assumptions about customer pain points
- Learned the difference: Between surface-level problems (wanting dashboards) and real business pain
The Coaching Process:
- Weekly sessions with focused feedback and guidance
- Direct challenges to assumptions and approaches
- Gradual skill development through consistent practice and correction
- Hands-on learning rather than theoretical knowledge
๐ What's Spenser Skates' Method for Finding Great Mentors?
Silicon Valley's Pay-It-Forward Culture
Key Prerequisites for Finding Mentors:
- Get crystal clear on what you're trying to learn - Define your specific knowledge gaps and goals
- Be open to where advice comes from - Don't limit yourself to traditional sources
- Understand your why - Know exactly what you're trying to build and why it matters
The Mentor-Finding Process:
- Define your learning objectives first - Most people skip this crucial step
- Leverage Silicon Valley's helpful culture - Take advantage of the positive-sum mentality
- Be specific about your needs - Vague requests for help don't work as well
- Stay open to unexpected connections - Great mentors can come from surprising places
Common Mistakes People Make:
- Lack of clarity on what they're trying to accomplish with their startup
- Unclear success metrics for what they need to learn
- Not being specific enough about the type of guidance they need
๐ฏ How Does Spenser Skates Avoid Getting Lost in Unimportant Details?
The Goal Tree Approach to Hyperfocus
Foundation: Clear Mission and Purpose
- Start with your "why" - Get crystal clear on what you want to do with your career and why
- Connect to something bigger - Dedicate yourself to a mission greater than yourself
- Define your contribution - Understand how you want to contribute to humanity through your work
The Goal Tree Framework:
- Top-level mission - Your overarching purpose (e.g., build software to make the world better)
- Strategic goals - Major objectives that support the mission (e.g., start a company)
- Tactical objectives - Specific actions that achieve strategic goals (e.g., figure out what product to build, learn how to sell it)
Staying Focused During Difficult Times:
- Anchor back to your why - When you want to quit, return to your original motivation
- Use intrinsic motivation - Avoid doing it for recognition, money, or external validation
- Maintain long-term perspective - Remember that the top node guides all decisions
The Emotional Reality:
- Starting a company is extraordinarily emotionally painful - Not recommended for most people
- Expect periodic burnout - Every few years, you'll want to quit
- Prepare for uncertainty - You'll have existential questions hanging over your head for long periods
โ๏ธ What's the Difference Between Being a Founder vs Big Company Executive?
The Evolution from Hands-On Leader to Strategic Manager
Founder Leadership Style:
- Run toward the most difficult problems - Always tackle the hardest challenges in the business
- Lead from the front - Whether it's difficult code, product issues, customer problems, or employee challenges
- Rally the team behind you - Inspire others through direct action and example
- Hands-on approach - Personally solve problems across all areas of the business
Big Company Executive Reality:
- Can't lead by example everywhere - Too many areas requiring attention simultaneously
- Must be disciplined about time - Say no to most things to focus on what matters most
- Become more of a judge - Spend time evaluating other people's work rather than doing it yourself
- Embrace the role you once criticized - Accept that you're becoming the type of executive you used to make fun of
The Difficult Transition:
- Most successful founder CEOs leave after about a decade - The role fundamentally changes
- You become the person you hate - Transform into the big company executive you once criticized
- Hard to unlearn founder habits - The hands-on approach becomes counterproductive at scale
- Deep responsibility - People's careers, families, and lives depend on your leadership decisions
Areas Requiring Executive Attention:
- Sales, marketing, people management, product development, customer relations, press interactions, and many more - all simultaneously
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Essential Insights:
- Learning complex skills requires coaching, not just reading - Real expertise comes from doing the work with expert guidance, similar to learning sports or instruments
- Clear mission prevents getting lost in details - Having a crystal-clear "why" and goal tree helps maintain focus during difficult periods and prevents rat-holing
- Founder-to-CEO transition is fundamentally different - Leading from the front works as a founder, but big company leadership requires strategic delegation and saying no to most things
Actionable Insights:
- Find expert coaches for skills you need to develop rather than relying solely on books or online resources
- Get crystal clear on your learning objectives before seeking mentors - specificity attracts better guidance
- Build a goal tree from your core mission down to tactical objectives to maintain focus during challenging times
- Prepare mentally for the emotional difficulty of entrepreneurship and anchor decisions to intrinsic motivation
- Accept that scaling from founder to big company CEO requires embracing a fundamentally different leadership style
๐ References from [32:04-39:58]
People Mentioned:
- Mitch Mirando - Sales executive turned coach who helped Spenser learn B2B sales through weekly coaching sessions
- Sensor Tower team - Connection through which Spenser met his sales coach Mitch Mirando
Companies & Products:
- Cursor - Example of a product with single-player mode that doesn't require complex sales motions
- Slack - Another example of a product that can be adopted without extensive selling due to its single-player utility
- Amplitude - Spenser's company, used as example of products requiring multi-person buy-in and sales motions
Books & Publications:
- Founders at Work - Book that provided key insights about the entrepreneurial journey, particularly the rational point where founders should quit but successful ones don't
Concepts & Frameworks:
- Goal Tree Framework - Method for organizing objectives from top-level mission down to tactical actions
- Single Player Mode vs Multi-Player Products - Distinction between products that individuals can adopt independently versus those requiring organizational buy-in
- Lead from the Front Leadership - Founder approach of personally tackling the most difficult problems in the business
- Intrinsic vs Extrinsic Motivation - The importance of internal drive over external recognition or financial rewards for long-term success
๐ข What makes being a large company executive easier than being a startup founder?
Resource Leverage vs. Scrappy Hustle
Key Advantages of Large Company Leadership:
- Massive Resource Access - Operating with $350 million in revenue and similar annual spend provides substantial leverage
- Established Product-Market Fit - No longer fighting for basic market validation or customer acquisition
- Reduced Work Intensity - Counterintuitively, executives often work less hard than scrappy founders
- Built-in Infrastructure - Teams, processes, and systems already exist to execute initiatives
The Trade-off Challenge:
- Different Skill Set Required: Resource deployment and strategic allocation vs. hands-on building
- Learning Curve: Understanding how to effectively deploy large-scale resources
- Hierarchy Navigation: Managing complex organizational structures and decision-making chains
Why Founders Struggle with This Transition:
The shift from founder to large company executive represents the hardest transition in business leadership. Founders go from desperate for any attention to being highly selective about time allocation, requiring completely different management approaches and strategic thinking.
๐ฏ How should founders approach "founder mode" with 800 employees?
Strategic Selectivity Over Universal Control
The Nuanced Reality:
- Impossible to Be Everywhere: Can't be "all the way in the weeds 100% of the time" with 800 employees
- Strategic Focus Required: Must be clear about where to apply deep involvement
- Context-Dependent Approach: No one-size-fits-all framework despite countless management books
Why Management Books Fall Short:
- Abstract Frameworks Don't Work - Real-world complexity defies simple models
- Experience-Based Learning - Must go through it personally and get coaching from others
- Individual Discovery Process - Each leader must figure out their own approach
The Management Paradox:
Founder mode requires strategic selectivity rather than universal micromanagement. The challenge lies in choosing where to apply intensive founder involvement while trusting systems and people elsewhere.
๐ Why does product-market fit solve all business problems?
The Universal Business Pain Reliever
The Growth Solution:
- Pain Elimination: When product-market fit hits, "you feel no pain" - referencing Bob Marley's wisdom
- Universal Problem Solver: Growth solves virtually all organizational and operational challenges
- Resource Generation: Success creates the resources needed to address any remaining issues
The Transformation Effect:
Product-market fit fundamentally changes the business dynamic from survival mode to optimization mode. Instead of fighting for basic viability, companies can focus on scaling and refining their proven value proposition.
Why This Matters for Founders:
Understanding that growth solves problems helps founders prioritize correctly - focusing intensely on achieving product-market fit rather than getting distracted by operational challenges that growth will naturally resolve.
๐ What guidance exists for later-stage startup challenges?
The Missing Playbook Problem
Y Combinator's Early-Stage Success:
- Comprehensive Guidance: Created extensive playbooks for early-stage startup challenges
- Accessible Knowledge: Made startup fundamentals widely available to founders
- Clear Path Forward: Provided roadmap for initial stages, though execution remains difficult
The Later-Stage Gap:
- Limited Resources: Very little guidance exists for post-product-market-fit challenges
- Unique Complexities: Later-stage problems require different frameworks and approaches
- Experience-Based Learning: Most later-stage knowledge comes from personal experience rather than documented playbooks
The Appreciation Factor:
Founders deeply value efforts to document and share later-stage experiences, as this knowledge gap leaves many leaders navigating complex challenges without proper guidance or frameworks.
โฐ How should large company CEOs manage their time differently than founders?
From Desperate for Attention to Ruthlessly Selective
The Founder Reality:
- Attention Desperate: Early-stage founders are grateful for anyone willing to give them time
- No Time Ownership: Nobody cares about protecting a founder's schedule
- Open Door Policy: Will meet with anyone who shows interest
The Large Company Transformation:
- Infinite Demand: Everyone wants time with successful CEOs - employees, customers, partners, investors
- Strategic Selection: Must be "very, very judicious" about time allocation
- Self-Ownership: "No one owns your time but you" - requires active protection and prioritization
The Balancing Act:
- Deliberate Visibility: Choosing to be more vocal and present on platforms like Twitter
- Authentic Expression: Maintaining personal voice while respecting public company constraints
- Strategic Sharing: Contributing to industry knowledge while managing time effectively
๐ญ How can public company CEOs maintain authenticity while being visible?
Breaking the Conservative CEO Mold
The Conservative Trap:
- Risk Aversion: Most public company CEOs are extremely conservative in their public presence
- Limited Expression: Constrained by legal and investor relations concerns
- Generic Personas: Often adopt bland, corporate personalities that don't reflect who they are
The Authentic Approach:
- Hot Takes on Everything: Sharing opinions on politics, religion, products, and companies
- Personal Voice: Refusing to adopt a fake persona or represent something inauthentic
- Conviction-Based Communication: Speaking up when having strong beliefs about topics
The Strategic Benefits:
- Learning Opportunity: Others can learn and benefit from authentic leadership stories
- Personal Fulfillment: Ability to express true personality and beliefs
- Industry Leadership: Setting example for other executives to be more genuine and accessible
The Boundary Management:
While maintaining authenticity, still operating within appropriate constraints of public company leadership without engaging in destructive online arguments or conflicts.
๐ฎ What does the future hold for analytics in the AI era?
The Coming Reinvention Revolution
The Transformation Prediction:
- Complete Reinvention: Analytics will undergo fundamental changes in the next few years
- Universal Adoption: AI-powered analytics will penetrate every company globally
- Market Leadership Opportunity: Amplitude positions itself to lead this transformation
The Strategic Vision:
Amplitude AI represents the company's bet on becoming the dominant force in next-generation analytics, moving beyond traditional data analysis to AI-enhanced insights and decision-making tools.
The Market Opportunity:
The convergence of AI capabilities with analytics needs creates a massive opportunity for companies that can successfully navigate the transition and deliver genuinely transformative solutions to businesses worldwide.
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Essential Insights:
- Resource Leverage Advantage - Large company executives have massive resources and established product-market fit, making execution easier than startup founding
- Founder Mode Nuance - With 800 employees, founders must be strategically selective about where to apply deep involvement rather than trying to control everything
- Time Management Evolution - CEOs must transition from being desperate for attention to being ruthlessly selective about time allocation
Actionable Insights:
- Strategic Focus Required: Choose specific areas for intensive founder involvement while trusting systems elsewhere
- Authentic Leadership: Maintain genuine voice and share experiences to help others, even as a public company CEO
- Future Preparation: Analytics will undergo complete reinvention in the AI era, creating massive opportunities for prepared companies
๐ References from [40:04-44:08]
People Mentioned:
- Bob Marley - Referenced for his lyric "one good thing about music, when it hits, you feel no pain," adapted to product-market fit
- Paul Graham (PG) - Co-founder of Y Combinator, credited with helping document later-stage startup stories
- Jessica Livingston - Co-founder of Y Combinator, acknowledged for contributing to startup guidance
Companies & Products:
- Amplitude - Spenser's company, mentioned as having $350 million in revenue and 800 employees
- Y Combinator - Startup accelerator praised for creating comprehensive early-stage playbooks
- Amplitude AI - The company's AI-powered analytics platform positioned for market leadership
Concepts & Frameworks:
- Founder Mode - Leadership approach balancing hands-on involvement with strategic delegation at scale
- Product-Market Fit - The transformative business milestone that "solves all problems" through growth
- Large Company Executive Transition - The challenging shift from founder to corporate leader requiring different skill sets