Why Businesses Are Rejecting the AI They've Asked For: Agency CEO Elias Torres

The Expectation Mismatch Crisis

Businesses are caught in a paradox: they demand AI solutions but reject them when delivered. This creates a fundamental disconnect between what companies say they want and what they're willing to accept.

The Core Problem:

1. Universal Demand - Everyone claims they want AI integration
2. Immediate Rejection - When AI arrives, businesses push back against it
3. Perfection Anxiety - Companies expect flawless performance from imperfect technology

The Technology Transition Challenge:

• Pre-AI Era: Narrow functionality with perfect accuracy (database lookups)
• AI Era: Broad functionality with imperfect accuracy
• User Struggle: People can't adapt to this fundamental shift in how technology works

The Mindset Divide:

• Progressive Approach: If AI does 10-30% more than before, it's valuable
• Perfectionist Trap: If it's not 100% perfect, they prefer nothing at all
• Dangerous Mentality: This all-or-nothing thinking prevents AI adoption

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Zero-Time Email Management Through AI

Elias Torres demonstrates the power of AI delegation by letting Agency handle his entire email workflow, showcasing what's possible when you trust AI to take control.

The Live Demo Approach:

1. Complete Transparency - Opens entire inbox to customers during product demos
2. Real-Time Processing - AI reads all emails and creates drafts automatically
3. One-Click Responses - Simply hits send without extensive editing

The Scale vs. Perfection Trade-off:

• Traditional Approach: Spend hours crafting 2 perfect emails
• AI-Powered Approach: Send personalized responses to all 500 prospects
• Customer Perspective: Recipients don't know how much time was invested

The Acceptance Philosophy:

• Personal Evolution: "I already know I'm never going to say anything perfect"
• Practical Mindset: As long as the message goes out, it's fine
• Age and Wisdom: Less perfectionism, more action-oriented approach

The User Experience Reality:

• Customer Behavior: Spending 20 minutes editing AI-generated emails
• Minimal Changes: Often just adjusting salutations or tone
• Productivity Loss: Defeating the purpose of AI assistance

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The Human Bottleneck Problem

The fundamental scaling issue in modern business isn't technology—it's the human intervention that creates delays, obstacles, and inefficiencies in customer experience delivery.

The Scaling Paradox:

1. Human-Centric Processes - People inserted into every step of customer interaction
2. Delay Creation - Each human touchpoint adds time and complexity
3. Obstacle Multiplication - More humans mean more potential failure points

The AI Delegation Solution:

• Let AI Take the Wheel - Remove human intervention from routine processes
• Strategic Decision Making - Focus on what truly matters (one-way vs. two-way doors)
• Acceptable Imperfection - Embrace good enough over perfect

The Cultural Shift Required:

• Sender Mindset: Be more willing to let AI handle communications
• Receiver Tolerance: Accept that some AI-generated content may be imperfect
• Mutual Forgiveness: Both sides need to be more "chill" about AI mistakes
• Fear Removal: Eliminate anxiety around AI-generated hallucinations or errors

The Business Impact:

• Current State: Businesses can't scale due to human bottlenecks
• Future State: AI-first processes enable true scalability
• Mindset Change: From perfection-seeking to progress-making

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From Communist-Era Nicaragua to Tech Innovation

Elias Torres' childhood in Nicaragua during the communist era fundamentally shaped his approach to entrepreneurship and technology, creating a unique perspective on innovation and resourcefulness.

Early Life Foundation:

1. Geographic Origin - Grew up in Nicaragua during a transformative political period
2. Economic Context - Third-world country with limited resources
3. Cultural Impact - Communist-era influences on worldview and problem-solving

The Shock of Contrast:

• Ongoing Perspective - Still experiences shock when visiting different environments
• Formative Experience - Early exposure to scarcity and limitation
• Entrepreneurial Drive - Background likely influenced his approach to building solutions

Engineering Mindset:

• Technical Foundation - Self-identifies as an engineer at heart
• Code Writing Experience - Has hands-on programming background
• Problem-Solving Approach - Technical skills combined with unique cultural perspective

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Essential Insights:

1. AI Adoption Paradox - Businesses demand AI but reject it due to perfectionist expectations and inability to adapt from narrow/perfect to broad/imperfect functionality
2. Email Management Revolution - Elias Torres demonstrates zero-time email management by letting AI handle his entire inbox, showing the power of trusting AI delegation
3. Human Bottleneck Crisis - Businesses can't scale because humans create delays and obstacles in customer experience delivery, requiring a shift to AI-first processes

Actionable Insights:

• Accept 10-30% improvement from AI rather than demanding 100% perfection
• Let AI handle routine communications without excessive human editing
• Focus on strategic decisions while delegating operational tasks to AI
• Develop cultural tolerance for AI imperfections on both sending and receiving sides
• Remove fear around AI-generated content to enable true business scaling

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People Mentioned:

• Elias Torres - Founder & CEO of Agency, previously co-founded Drift and worked at HubSpot

Companies & Products:

• HubSpot - Platform where Elias rebuilt the core system, mentioned as his first company experience with Sequoia
• Drift - Elias's second startup, conversational marketing platform (acquired by SalesLoft in 2024)
• Agency - Elias's current company focused on redefining customer experience through AI
• Sequoia Capital - Investment firm hosting the podcast, has worked with Elias across three companies

Technologies & Tools:

• AI Email Management - Agency's capability to read emails, create drafts, and automate responses
• Database Lookup Systems - Referenced as pre-AI technology with perfect accuracy but narrow functionality

Concepts & Frameworks:

• One-way vs Two-way Doors - Decision-making framework for determining what truly matters in business processes
• Expectation Mismatch - The disconnect between AI capabilities and user expectations
• Human Bottleneck Theory - The concept that human intervention prevents business scaling in customer experience

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Early Life and Scarcity

Living Conditions:

• Empty refrigerators and cupboards - Only basic pots and pans in the kitchen
• Just-in-time food preparation - Only ingredients for immediate meals available
• Scarcity mindset development - Growing up with very limited resources

Family Dynamics:

• Mother's honest communication - "I would give you anything I have... if I'm not giving it to you because I can't"
• Learning to ask conditionally - "Mom if you can buy me this gift... if you can't buy me this"
• Cultural contrast awareness - Stark difference from American abundance

Impact on Worldview:

1. Resource appreciation - Deep understanding of scarcity vs abundance
2. Realistic expectations - Learning to ask for things conditionally
3. Cultural perspective - Understanding the extreme differences between developing and developed nations

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Early Work Experience

First Paid Jobs at Age 17:

1. McDonald's employee - Traditional fast-food service work
2. Office cleaning with mother - Janitorial services after hours

Work Context:

• Recent immigrant experience - Just arrived in the United States
• Dual employment - Working both jobs simultaneously to make ends meet
• Family collaboration - Working alongside his mother in cleaning services

Career Foundation:

• Work ethic development - Starting with manual labor and service jobs
• Financial necessity - Essential income for new immigrant family
• Character building - Learning responsibility and dedication early

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Early Technology Exposure

Father's Computer in LA:

• Mysterious origins - Father would bring home various items, including a computer
• Self-directed learning - No internet, manuals, or user groups available
• Garage experimentation - Solo exploration of WordPerfect and Lotus 1-2-3 in the 1980s
• Brother's disinterest - Half-brother focused on cars, leaving computer available

Skills Development:

1. Basic software mastery - Learning word processing and spreadsheet applications
2. Hardware troubleshooting - Figuring out printer connections and functionality
3. Independent problem-solving - No external resources or support available

Nicaragua University Experience:

• Mother's laptop - PhD veterinary professor with surprising technology access
• Tech support role - Helping mother and university with computer issues
• Learning through mistakes - "Mostly I just broke the computer and then I would take it to get it fixed"

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1999 Chatbot Development

Project Details:

• Blue Pages chatbot - Internal phone directory lookup system
• Alternative to Yellow Pages - IBM's internal employee directory solution
• Natural language interface - Early conversational AI for practical business use

Learning Experience:

• Significant skill development - "I learned so much. I built so much"
• Technical foundation - Early exposure to conversational AI systems
• Practical application - Solving real workplace communication challenges

Corporate Limitations:

• Scale challenges - 400,000 employee organization too large for individual impact
• Political complexity - Bureaucratic barriers to meaningful change
• Innovation constraints - Difficulty making substantial contributions in massive corporation

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Connection and Trust

Cultural Representation:

• First Hispanic/Latino in tech - Never encountered another Latino in the technology industry
• Immediate comfort level - Felt understood and could relate personally
• Trust factor - Cultural connection created foundation for professional relationship

Decision-Making Process:

• Multiple startup offers - Many entrepreneurs trying to recruit him from IBM
• Difficulty choosing - Uncertain how to evaluate different opportunities
• Gut feeling approach - Chose based on personal comfort and trust rather than technical factors

Career Transition:

• VP Engineering offer - David initially offered him a leadership role at another company
• Startup choice - Ultimately decided to join David's new venture, Lookery
• Risk-taking motivation - "I needed to try something outside of IBM"

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Dramatic Scale Change

Work Environment Shift:

• From 400,000 to 10 people - Massive organizational scale reduction
• Home office setup - Desk in bedroom of Lowell, Massachusetts home
• 24/7 work schedule - Complete immersion in startup responsibilities

Personal Challenges:

• Family responsibilities - "Three babies in diapers" while working constantly
• Physical exhaustion - Extremely demanding lifestyle with no separation between work and home
• Solo engineering responsibility - "Main engineer in the company... had to build everything"

Technology Revolution:

• AWS discovery - First experience with cloud computing services
• Infrastructure transformation - From IBM blade servers and procurement systems to instant S3 and EC2 access
• Individual empowerment - "I could be this one person orchestrating and building everything without needing anybody"

Impact Comparison:

• IBM frustration - Building systems "nobody cared about, nobody used"
• Startup ownership - "Sole person responsible" for critical systems
• Career defining moment - Despite exhaustion, recognized it as one of the "best times"

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Professional Breakout Moment

Scale Shock:

• Customer base explosion - From 20 customers at Performable to 5,000 at HubSpot immediately
• Support model breakdown - Could no longer personally text customers and fix issues in real-time
• Scaling necessity - Had to learn systematic approaches to customer support and product development

HubSpot Transformation:

• Product evolution - Company had "amazing story and okay product" before acquisition
• Team integration - Performable team brought technical expertise to enhance existing platform
• Rebuilding mandate - Ended up with responsibility for entire product reconstruction

Learning Curve:

1. Customer experience focus - Maintaining quality while serving thousands instead of dozens
2. Systematic thinking - Moving from individual problem-solving to scalable processes
3. Organizational growth - Learning to operate within and help scale a rapidly growing company

Career Impact:

• Technical leadership - Opportunity to rebuild major SaaS platform from scratch
• Business understanding - Experience with enterprise-scale customer success challenges
• Foundation building - Skills that would later inform Agency's approach to AI-first solutions

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Essential Insights:

1. Scarcity shapes innovation - Torres' childhood poverty in Nicaragua created deep appreciation for resources and conditional thinking that influences his business approach
2. Cultural connection drives trust - Meeting David Cancel as the first Latino in tech created the foundation for their successful partnership based on shared understanding
3. Scale forces systematic thinking - Transition from 20 to 5,000 customers at HubSpot required fundamental shifts from personal to systematic customer experience approaches

Actionable Insights:

• Embrace resource constraints - Scarcity can drive creative problem-solving and appreciation for efficiency
• Trust cultural connections - Shared backgrounds and understanding can be powerful factors in business partnerships
• Prepare for scale challenges - Personal touch approaches must evolve into systematic processes as organizations grow
• Cloud technology democratizes innovation - AWS enabled individual developers to build enterprise-scale solutions without traditional infrastructure barriers

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People Mentioned:

• David Cancel - Co-founder partner who Torres met in Boston tech scene, first Latino he encountered in technology
• Brian Halligan - HubSpot co-founder referenced in context of company's early story and product development
• Dharmesh Shah - HubSpot co-founder mentioned alongside Brian regarding company characterization

Companies & Products:

• IBM - Torres' first major employer where he built chatbots and learned enterprise technology
• McDonald's - One of Torres' first jobs in America at age 17
• HubSpot - Marketing automation company where Torres and Cancel's team rebuilt the product platform
• Lookery - Torres' first startup experience with David Cancel (advertising and user-targeting network that operated from 2007-2009)
• Performable - Company Torres co-founded with Cancel before joining HubSpot
• Agency - Torres' current AI-first company, his third founded venture

Technologies & Tools:

• Amazon Web Services (AWS) - Cloud platform that revolutionized Torres' development approach with S3 and EC2 services
• WordPerfect - Word processing software Torres learned in the 1980s on his father's computer
• Lotus 1-2-3 - Spreadsheet application Torres mastered during early computer exploration
• Blue Pages - IBM's internal phone directory system for which Torres built a chatbot interface

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Just-in-time resource management - Scarcity-driven approach Torres experienced in Nicaragua childhood
• Scale transition challenges - Moving from personal customer service to systematic approaches
• Cultural connection in business partnerships - Importance of shared background and understanding in professional relationships

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Crisis Management and Leadership Growth

When Elias Torres joined HubSpot, the company faced a critical situation that required immediate and comprehensive action across multiple fronts.

The Crisis Situation:

• Major customer churn - Significant loss of existing customers
• Complete product failure - The product "did not work at all"
• Dysfunctional team - Core team structure was broken and ineffective

Three-Pillar Rebuilding Strategy:

1. Team Reconstruction - Complete overhaul of personnel and team dynamics
2. Product Rebuilding - Ground-up reconstruction of the core product
3. Trust Restoration - Regaining customer confidence in the company's ability to deliver

Leadership Development:

The crisis forced Torres to develop crucial leadership skills, particularly in scaling himself as a leader and mastering the art of hiring at scale - which became one of his most important competencies.

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Unconventional Talent Acquisition Strategy

Torres developed a contrarian approach to hiring that consistently attracted high-potential individuals who later became industry leaders.

Core Hiring Philosophy:

• Give people a chance - Focus on potential rather than proven track record
• Role modeling excellence - Demonstrate what becoming an outlier means
• Mutual influence - Recognize that exceptional people shape each other

Key Assessment Criteria:

1. Intelligence testing - Evaluate through conversation and ability to keep up
2. Hunger detection - Look for genuine drive and ambition
3. Grit assessment - Measure persistence and resilience
4. Growth mindset - Identify those ready to be brought along for the ride

What He Actively Avoids:

• Credential-based hiring - Doesn't prioritize where candidates came from
• Past achievement focus - Doesn't rely heavily on what they claim to have done
• Prestigious backgrounds - Actually becomes suspicious of candidates with impressive credentials

The Success Pattern:

Torres seeks people who, like himself, started from humble beginnings - those doing "the crappiest jobs" who demonstrate raw potential and willingness to grow.

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The Time-to-Value Challenge

Torres and David Cancel identified a fundamental issue with traditional marketing software that would shape their approach at Drift.

HubSpot's Time-to-Value Problem:

• Extended timeline - Customers had to wait months to see results
• Complex requirements - Building blogs, SEO rankings, lead generation, and brand development
• Long-term commitment - Required coaching customers through an extended journey
• Low price point paradox - Despite the lengthy process, HubSpot maintained affordable pricing

The Drift Solution Focus:

Torres and Cancel spent considerable time exploring how to dramatically reduce time-to-value for customers, leading them through various pivots and iterations.

Strategic Insight:

While HubSpot achieved remarkable scale and revenue despite the long time-to-value, Torres recognized this as an opportunity to create something that could deliver immediate customer value without extensive setup or waiting periods.

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The Desert Wandering Period

Drift's early years were characterized by extreme experimentation and frequent direction changes as the founders searched for product-market fit.

The Pivoting Pattern:

• Monthly pivots - Changed direction approximately every month
• Diverse attempts - Tried everything from Glassdoor competitor to Dropbox alternative
• Investor meetings - Pat Grady would visit Boston and hear about completely different products each time

Failed Attempts Include:

1. HR software - Started as employee feedback platform
2. Secret app competitor - Anonymous company communication tool
3. Dropbox alternative - File sharing solution
4. Pinterest clone - Visual discovery platform
5. SurveyMonkey competitor - Survey and feedback tools

Key Survival Factors:

• Patience and persistence - Maintained team morale through constant changes
• Learning from experience - Recognized the need to return to their core expertise
• Experience compounds - Understanding that their background would eventually guide them to the right solution

The Turning Point:

After two years of exploration, they realized they needed to go back to what they knew and leverage their accumulated experience in customer service and marketing technology.

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The Chatbot Innovation

Drift developed a solution that transformed how websites captured and converted visitors into leads through intelligent automation.

Core Functionality:

• Digital receptionist - Chatbot served as the welcome reception on homepages
• Form replacement - Eliminated traditional lead capture forms
• Interactive engagement - Asked questions and provided immediate value
• Seamless booking - Integrated calendar scheduling directly in chat
• Smart routing - Directed leads to appropriate sales representatives
• Mobile notifications - Sent real-time alerts to reps' phones

Key Benefits:

1. Immediate lead capture - No human effort required for initial engagement
2. Friction removal - Streamlined the connection process
3. Faster connections - Reduced time between visitor interest and sales contact
4. Scaling automation - Handled multiple conversations simultaneously

Success Impact:

This approach worked fantastically and became the foundation for Drift's initial market success, providing the automation and scaling capabilities that Torres had envisioned.

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The Shallow Product Problem

Despite Drift's initial success, Torres identified critical limitations that prevented the platform from becoming truly transformative for customers.

Core Limitation:

• Single touchpoint solution - Only solved the first connection in the customer journey
• Shallow penetration - Couldn't deeply integrate into customer workflows
• Limited scope - Focused exclusively on initial lead capture and routing

Customer Frustration Points:

1. No recognition - Returning visitors weren't recognized by the system
2. Lost context - Conversations didn't pick up where they left off
3. Disconnected experience - In-app interactions didn't reference previous website conversations
4. Fragmented knowledge - Support tickets and previous interactions weren't accessible

The Bigger Vision:

Torres developed a dream of creating a system that would:

• Always know everything about the customer
• Apply customer information in every exchange
• Maintain comprehensive customer knowledge across all touchpoints

Technology Gap:

The fundamental challenge was that they didn't have the technology to deliver this comprehensive customer knowledge system, which became a driving force behind his next venture.

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The Scaling Fallacy

Torres identified a critical misconception in startup scaling that he believes persists even in the AI era.

The Common Scaling Myth:

• Hire more bodies - Belief that adding headcount solves scaling problems
• Raise more money - Assumption that capital can solve operational challenges
• Spend without concern - Philosophy that spending issues can be resolved later
• Scale later mentality - Postponing efficiency improvements for future optimization

Why This Approach Fails:

Torres argues this strategy is fundamentally flawed because it doesn't address the core operational and systematic issues that prevent true scalability.

The AI Connection:

He believes AI is the whole point of proving that this traditional scaling approach is wrong, yet observes that many people still default to the "just hire more people" mentality.

Personal Learning:

This became Torres' biggest lesson at Drift - understanding that sustainable scaling requires systematic solutions rather than simply adding human resources.

Customer-Centric Approach:

Despite scaling challenges, Torres maintained his commitment to direct customer communication, always encouraging customers to text or call him directly.

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Essential Insights:

1. Crisis leadership requires comprehensive rebuilding - Torres successfully rebuilt HubSpot's team, product, and customer trust simultaneously while developing crucial scaling leadership skills
2. Unconventional hiring beats credential-based recruiting - Focusing on hunger, grit, and intelligence over prestigious backgrounds consistently attracts high-potential talent who become industry leaders
3. Time-to-value is a critical competitive advantage - HubSpot's lengthy value delivery timeline created an opportunity for Drift to focus on immediate customer value

Actionable Insights:

• Give exceptional people chances based on potential rather than proven track record, testing for intelligence, hunger, and grit through conversation
• Return to your core expertise after exploration - experience compounds and wandering too far from what you know delays finding product-market fit
• Recognize that "just hire more people" is fundamentally flawed scaling strategy - systematic solutions and AI automation are necessary for true scalability

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People Mentioned:

• Andrew Bialecki - Exceptional hire at HubSpot who later founded Klaviyo
• Christopher O'Donnell - HubSpot hire who built HubSpot CRM and started his own company
• Whitney - Notable HubSpot team member mentioned as exceptional talent
• Jared - Current EVP at HubSpot running the entire system
• Brian Halligan - HubSpot co-founder who influenced Torres' career development
• Dharmesh Shah - HubSpot co-founder and CTO who shaped Torres' entrepreneurial journey
• David Cancel - Co-founder of Drift and Torres' business partner
• Pat Grady - Sequoia Capital partner who regularly visited Drift during pivot phase

Companies & Products:

• HubSpot - Marketing automation platform where Torres learned scaling and leadership
• Drift - Conversational marketing platform co-founded by Torres and Cancel (acquired by SalesLoft in 2024)
• Klaviyo - Email marketing platform founded by former HubSpot hire Andrew Bialecki
• Glassdoor - Company review platform that inspired early Drift HR software concept
• Secret - Anonymous social app that influenced Drift's early employee feedback concept
• Dropbox - File sharing service that Drift attempted to compete with during pivot phase
• Pinterest - Visual discovery platform that Drift tried to replicate
• SurveyMonkey - Survey platform that Drift considered competing against

Technologies & Tools:

• Chatbot Technology - Automated conversation system that replaced traditional lead capture forms
• Calendar Integration - Booking system that connected directly with sales representatives' schedules
• Mobile Notifications - Real-time alert system for sales team communication
• SEO and Google Rankings - Search optimization tools required for HubSpot's long-term value delivery

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Time-to-Value - Critical metric measuring how quickly customers experience product benefits
• Hiring at Scale - Systematic approach to recruiting exceptional talent during rapid growth
• Customer Journey Mapping - Understanding touchpoints and interactions throughout customer experience
• Product-Market Fit - Alignment between product offering and market demand achieved through iteration

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The Impossible Choice Between Success and Purpose

The Scale Problem at Drift:

1. Personal Connection Breakdown - As Drift grew to thousands of customers, Torres could no longer personally know and talk to each one
2. Management Overhead - With 600-800 employees, time was consumed by promotions, growth planning, onboarding, recruiting, and town halls
3. Lost Customer Focus - The administrative burden took attention away from customers and product development

The Empty Victory:

• Financial Success vs. Fulfillment - Despite Drift being worth over $1 billion, Torres felt they failed to build the "legendary company" they dreamed of
• The Retirement Experiment - Seven months of traveling the world and kite surfing proved "extremely empty and boring"

The ChatGPT Awakening:

The Perfect Storm in Brazil:

1. First Real Disconnection - Kite surfing in Jericoacoara, Brazil, with no meetings or obligations
2. ChatGPT Launch Day - The exact day he mentally disconnected was when ChatGPT launched
3. Impostor Syndrome Resolved - "I fucking know everything now" - networks, systems, proven track record with millions of users

The Obligation Factor:

• Latino Representation - Feels obligated as a role model for people who look like him
• Resource Stewardship - Considers it wasteful to squander hard-earned opportunities and connections
• Generational Impact - References growing up with no food in Nicaragua as motivation not to waste current position

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The Human-Led Customer Experience Impossibility

The Universal Business Challenge:

• Customer Experience Delivery - Every business in the world struggles to deliver great customer experience
• Human-Only Solutions - Currently, the only way to solve this is through human resources
• Scaling Impossibility - Human-led customer experience is "almost an impossible thing" to scale

Agency's Revolutionary Approach:

AI-Led Customer Experience:

1. Beyond Human Limitations - Scale customer experience "beyond our wildest imaginations"
2. Autonomous Operations - Eliminate the need for humans in every step of the process
3. True Scalability - What technology has never been able to achieve before

The Genesis Story:

From OpenAI Consultation to Agency:

1. OpenAI's Problem - 200-person team couldn't handle enterprise customer inquiries about deployment
2. Consultancy Phase - Started by helping major clients like NBA, Red Bull understand AI implementation
3. The Clearview Catalyst - Andrew's request to help with customer experience delivery became the breakthrough moment

The CSM Expertise Problem:

• Impossible Standards - How can every Customer Success Manager be the world's #1 expert in their client's specific domain?
• Knowledge Scaling - Traditional hiring can't create universal expertise across all customer scenarios
• AI as the Solution - Only AI can possess and apply comprehensive knowledge at scale

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Essential Insights:

1. Scale Kills Personal Connection - Torres experienced firsthand how growth from personal relationships to thousands of customers creates an unbridgeable gap in service quality
2. Management Overhead Destroys Focus - With 600-800 employees, administrative tasks consumed leadership attention, taking focus away from customers and product innovation
3. AI-First Customer Experience is the Holy Grail - Agency represents the first serious attempt to scale customer experience through AI rather than humans, solving an "almost impossible" business challenge

Actionable Insights:

• Recognize the Scale Trap - Personal founder involvement in customer relationships doesn't scale beyond early hundreds of customers
• Beware Management Bloat - Large teams require disproportionate leadership time for non-value-adding activities
• Embrace AI for Expertise Scaling - Use AI to provide expert-level knowledge that no human hire could consistently deliver across all scenarios

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People Mentioned:

• Andrew (Clearview CEO) - Client who challenged Torres to build AI-powered customer experience solution, leading to Agency's core product development

Companies & Products:

• Drift - Torres's previous company that reached billion-dollar valuation but struggled with scaling personal customer relationships (acquired by SalesLoft in 2024)
• HubSpot - Torres's first major success before founding Drift
• OpenAI - Partnership that led to Torres building AI consultancy services for enterprise clients
• Clearview - Client company that became the catalyst for Agency's customer experience AI solution
• NBA - Major client during Torres's AI consultancy phase
• Red Bull - Enterprise client that used Torres's AI implementation services

Technologies & Tools:

• ChatGPT - The AI breakthrough that motivated Torres to re-enter the startup world, launching on the exact day he was disconnecting in Brazil

Concepts & Frameworks:

• AI-Led Customer Experience - Agency's core methodology for scaling customer service beyond human limitations
• Human-Led Customer Experience Scaling Problem - The fundamental business challenge that traditional hiring and management cannot solve
• Customer Success Manager (CSM) Expertise Gap - The impossibility of hiring humans who can be world-class experts in every client's specific domain

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The Eureka Moment in Customer Experience

The Discovery Process:

1. Data Classification Breakthrough - Torres realized he could classify entire usage patterns of every user in a company and deliver tailored advice automatically
2. QBR Automation Vision - The concept clicked when he imagined delivering quarterly business reviews and creating explanatory videos without human intervention
3. Perfect Timing Convergence - Brian Halligan contacted him the same day with the exact same insight about scaling people problems

The Problem Crystallization:

• Core Issue Identified: "It's about the people we can't scale" - customer experience fundamentally doesn't scale with human-dependent processes
• Industry Disruption Opportunity: The realization that the entire customer experience industry needed to be reimagined
• Personal Conviction: Torres found this problem "so soothing and reassuring" because it's "the hardest thing" and seemingly unsolvable

Why Customer Experience Became His Mission:

• Universal Pain Point: "Most customer experience in the world sucks" - even luxury hotels charge $4 for basic services after customers pay thousands
• Lasting Impact Potential: Unlike other AI applications, customer experience problems will never be fully solved, providing endless opportunity for improvement
• Identity Crisis Solution: While many struggle with AI replacing their roles, Torres found purpose in tackling the most challenging scaling problem

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Prioritizing Product-Market Fit Over Quick Revenue

Current Business Philosophy:

• Customer-First Strategy: Over 50 customers using the product, but Torres refuses to focus on traditional metrics
• Revenue Rejection: "I don't want your money" - deliberately avoiding charging customers until achieving true product obsession
• Sticky Value Creation: Focus on making customers "so wildly successful" rather than acquiring more customers

Learning from Past Mistakes:

1. Previous Approach: "The minute I had something that kind of loaded on your browser like I wanted to charge you"
2. Current Patience: Taking time to build something customers will "throw money at" and say "there's nothing like it"
3. SaaS Problem Recognition: Most SaaS products "just created more work for the user" - Agency aims to "take the work off"

The Billion Dollar Vision:

• Ambitious Goal: Create a company with $1 billion in revenue and fewer than 100 employees
• Team Structure: Majority engineers building product, minimal GTM and customer experience headcount
• Future Company Model: Solving the scaling problem to enable "companies of the future"

Industry Critique:

• Lack of Innovation: "There's a lot of lack of creativity" despite being in the most creative country
• Repetitive Products: Everyone building "the same chat, meeting recorder, note summarizer, and email drafter"

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The Strategic Zag While Others Zigged

The Contrarian Decision:

• Market Trend: All AI SDR companies focused on front-end customer acquisition
• Agency's Zag: "We'll let them take the front end of the business. We're going to deal with the back end"
• Value Positioning: Back-end customer experience is "where the pain actually is and that's where the value is built"

HubSpot Philosophy Applied:

• Core Principle: "When they zigg, we zag" - deliberately choosing the opposite direction from market consensus
• Proven Strategy: This contrarian approach has "proven to be a good decision" over the past year
• Market Validation: While competitors fight over front-end solutions, Agency found untapped value in post-acquisition experience

Strategic Reasoning:

1. Pain Point Location: Real customer pain exists in ongoing experience management, not initial contact
2. Value Creation: Back-end optimization creates sustainable competitive advantages
3. Market Differentiation: Avoiding the crowded AI SDR space allowed focus on unique value proposition

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The Reality Gap Between AI Potential and Present Capability

Theoretical vs. Practical AI:

• Infinite Potential: "If we're optimist AI is infinitely capable in the theoretical in the fullness of time"
• Current Reality: "Today it's actually not that smart"
• Communication Complexity: Requires "paragraphs and paragraphs to maybe get the right answer"

Reliability Challenges:

1. Inconsistent Outputs: "If you type the wrong word or if you try it again it's just a different answer"
2. Human Cognitive Load: "Today's humans brains just can't cope with it"
3. Trust Deficit: "If we cannot even trust the AI to draft your own email that you're about to hit the button, how much worse is going to be for us to let the AI make decisions on 10,000 customers on a daily basis"

The Customer Experience Dilemma:

• Decision Complexity: Choosing between better word suggestions vs. full customer experience management
• Scale Challenge: Managing autonomous decisions for thousands of customers daily
• Trust Barrier: Current AI reliability insufficient for high-stakes customer interactions

Product Development Reality:

• Foundation First: Agency built "customer 360 foundational" - bringing all information into one place for questions
• Critical Flaw: "If you require a human to go type into that chat box, you're dead on arrival"
• Valley Confusion: Even Silicon Valley companies are "building tools" that miss this fundamental insight

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Essential Insights:

1. Problem Discovery Process - Torres found his next venture through the convergence of technical capability (user classification) and market timing (Brian Halligan's simultaneous insight)
2. Revenue Philosophy Shift - Deliberately avoiding early revenue to ensure true product-market fit, learning from past mistakes of charging too early
3. Strategic Positioning - Chose back-end customer experience over front-end AI SDRs, following HubSpot's "when they zigg, we zag" philosophy

Actionable Insights:

• Focus on making existing customers "wildly successful" rather than acquiring new ones during early product development
• Recognize that current AI limitations require careful consideration of where to deploy autonomous decision-making
• Build for the future by solving fundamental scaling problems rather than creating incremental improvements

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People Mentioned:

• Brian Halligan - HubSpot co-founder who contacted Torres with the same insight about scaling people problems, leading to Agency's founding

Companies & Products:

• HubSpot - Referenced for its contrarian business philosophy "when they zigg, we zag" that influenced Agency's strategic positioning
• Agency - Torres' current company focused on back-end customer experience automation
• Drift - Torres' previous company, mentioned in context of solving transactional conversations vs. full customer experience (acquired by SalesLoft in 2024)

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Customer 360 - Foundational approach of bringing all customer information into one centralized location for analysis and decision-making
• QBR (Quarterly Business Review) - Traditional business process that Torres envisioned automating through AI-generated videos and analysis
• AI SDR - Front-end AI sales development representative tools that competitors focus on, which Agency deliberately avoided

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Vision for Autonomous AI Systems

Elias Torres expresses frustration with current AI implementations that merely assist humans rather than operating autonomously. His vision centers on creating AI systems that can execute tasks independently and repeatedly.

Core Philosophy:

1. One-Time Instruction Model - Tell AI what to do once, and it executes the task 10,000 times
2. Beyond Human Assistance - Moving past tools like ChatGPT that require constant human input
3. CEO-Level Efficiency - Leveraging AI to scale decision-making and execution

Current Limitations:

• Agent Hype vs Reality: Most "AI agents" still require human oversight for basic tasks
• Shallow Automation: Examples like meeting summaries that don't lead to actionable outcomes
• Dashboard Dependency: Creating reports without automated follow-up actions

The Deeper Challenge:

Torres advocates for first principles thinking when implementing AI solutions. Instead of creating dashboards for humans to analyze, he questions why AI can't directly:

• Contact customers about renewals
• Email clients directly
• Execute the entire workflow without human intervention

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The Challenge of Business Transformation

Torres identifies a fundamental challenge in AI adoption: businesses are entrenched in traditional operational patterns that prevent them from embracing truly autonomous AI solutions.

The Deprogramming Mission:

• Target: The entire business world's operational mindset
• Problem: Companies are accustomed to human-dependent workflows
• Solution: Encouraging businesses to abandon familiar but inefficient processes

Inspiration from Experience:

Torres shares advice he received from a retired VC at Brian Halligan's birthday party:

Key Advice Received:

1. "Forget everything you've ever learned"
2. "Forget the pattern recognition"
3. "Forget your experience"
4. "Just got to try new things"

The Change Agent Approach:

• Customer Challenge: Helping clients stop worrying about past methods
• Focus Shift: Moving from traditional processes to AI-first solutions
• Value Proposition: Enabling one-on-one customer relationships at scale
• Internal Efficiency: Resolving operational inefficiencies through AI automation

Implementation Reality:

Torres acknowledges that achieving consistent AI workflow execution will require extensive prompting and iteration, but emphasizes the transformative potential for customer experience platforms.

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Human Agency and Purpose-Driven Work

Torres envisions an AI future that enhances human agency rather than replacing it, allowing people to focus on what they do best while AI handles operational tasks.

Vision for Human Potential:

1. Enhanced Agency - People using AI to amplify their decision-making capabilities
2. Reduced Hard Work Focus - Moving away from labor-intensive processes
3. Purpose-Driven Activities - Concentrating on initiative, decision-making, and strategic choices

Core Human Strengths to Preserve:

• Taking Initiative: Making proactive decisions and choices
• Strategic Selection: Choosing purpose, customers, and target audiences
• Service Orientation: Going out to serve chosen communities and markets
• Leadership: Directing AI systems to execute around human vision

The Balance:

• AI Role: Handle operational work and execution
• Human Role: Provide direction, purpose, and strategic thinking
• Outcome: AI amplifies human agency rather than diminishing it

Torres emphasizes that the fear of AI taking away human agency is misplaced—instead, properly implemented AI should enhance our ability to make meaningful decisions and focus on high-value activities.

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Essential Insights:

1. Autonomous AI Vision - Torres wants AI that executes tasks independently after one-time instruction, moving beyond human-assistance models
2. Business Deprogramming Challenge - The entire business world needs to abandon traditional human-dependent workflows to embrace AI-first solutions
3. Enhanced Human Agency - The AI future should amplify human decision-making and purpose-driven work, not replace it

Actionable Insights:

• Question every human touchpoint in workflows—ask why AI can't handle the entire process
• Embrace first principles thinking when implementing AI solutions rather than digitizing existing processes
• Focus on strategic activities like choosing customers and purposes while letting AI handle operational execution

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People Mentioned:

• Brian Halligan - HubSpot co-founder whose birthday party Torres attended, where he received transformative advice about letting go of past experience

Companies & Products:

• ChatGPT - Referenced as an example of AI that still requires human input and doesn't provide the autonomous execution Torres envisions
• Agency - Torres' current company focused on AI-first customer experience solutions

Concepts & Frameworks:

• First Principles Thinking - Torres' approach to questioning every step of business workflows to identify where AI can replace human intervention
• Human Agency Enhancement - The philosophy that AI should amplify human decision-making capabilities rather than replace them
• One-Time Instruction Model - Torres' vision for AI systems that can execute tasks repeatedly after receiving instructions once

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