Aravind Srinivas: The Race to Build the AI Browser of the Future

Current State & Growth Challenges

Infrastructure Reality Check:

1. Daily Infrastructure Issues - The platform experiences scaling challenges every single day due to massive user growth
2. 10x Scaling Challenge - They need to completely rebuild their infrastructure to handle the next phase of growth
3. Unknown Territory - Usage is growing so rapidly that they're entering uncharted scaling territory

Well, whether you believe it or not, like I have infra issues every day. So there are a lot of people using it and um this usage is actually growing to the extent that we don't actually know how to deal with it. We have to rebuild the infra to scale the next 10x.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Growth Validation:

• Consistent infrastructure pressure indicates genuine user adoption
• Growth rate exceeding their ability to scale infrastructure
• Real-world validation of product-market fit through technical constraints

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The Big Strategic Pivot

The Browser Vision:

1. Beyond Search - Moving from just answering questions to becoming a complete cognitive operating system
2. Omni-Box Approach - One interface for navigation, informational queries, and agentic tasks
3. AI Assistant Integration - Your AI companion available on every web page and new tab

Revolutionary Browser Features:

• Parallel Task Processing: Launch multiple AI tasks running asynchronously like cloud computing
• Personal Data Integration: Connect email, calendar, Amazon, social media accounts seamlessly
• Real-time Research: Continuous background research on real estate, markets, and personal interests
• Process-Based Architecture: Each query becomes its own process, similar to Chrome's tab innovation

We think about it as an assistant rather than a complete autonomous agent. But one omni box where you can navigate, you can ask informational queries and you can give agentic tasks and your AI with you, on your new tab page, on your site car as an assistant on any web page you are, makes the browser feel like more like a cognitive operating system rather than just yet another browser.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Why This Strategy Matters:

• Differentiation: Much harder to copy than another chat tool
• User Stickiness: Becomes your default interface to the internet
• Data Advantage: Access to browsing behavior and personal context
• Platform Control: Own the user experience end-to-end

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The Startup vs. Big Tech Reality

Competitive Landscape Truth:

1. OpenAI Will Build This Too - Fully expecting direct competition from major players
2. Google Already Has Chrome - Incumbent advantage with existing browser dominance
3. Anthropic Joining the Race - Every major AI company will attempt similar products

The Only Sustainable Advantage:

• Speed of Innovation: Move faster than everyone else
• Focused Execution: Be world-class at one thing rather than mediocre at many
• Deep Specialization: Focus solely on accuracy at the answer level and task orchestration

Look, if something is really worth doing, it's it's only natural that people with a lot of funding will go and do it... For us, this is the only thing we care about. accuracy at the level of answers, accuracy at the level of tasks, orchestrating all these different tools.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Strategic Reality Check:

• Market Validation: When big players copy you, it validates the market opportunity
• Resource Constraints: Limited ability to be world-class at multiple things simultaneously
• Marathon at Sprint Speed: Continuous high-velocity innovation as the only moat

And the only uh mode you have is speed. You have to innovate. You have to move faster than everybody else. And it's like running a marathon but at an extremely high velocity, right?

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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Leadership Philosophy in Action

The Hands-On CEO Approach:

1. Direct Problem Solving - Personally triaging and fixing bugs instead of delegating
2. Technical Leadership - Staying connected to the product at the deepest level
3. Cultural Impact - Setting an example that's influencing other tech leaders

Real-World Evidence:

• Backstage Demonstration: Stopped mid-presentation to debug a live issue
• Contrarian Leadership: Opposite of typical large company CEO behavior
• Industry Influence: Even Google's Sundar Pichai now does bug support on X

Yeah. I I I love I love triaging and fixing bugs. I know it sounds trivial. Like is that the best use of the time of a CEO? There are a lot of people who would think otherwise.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Why This Matters:

• Product Quality: Direct oversight ensures accuracy and performance standards
• Team Culture: Demonstrates that no task is beneath leadership
• Speed Advantage: Removes communication layers for critical fixes
• Technical Credibility: Maintains deep understanding of system constraints

Recently people are like uh oh like like there I hope this behavior is rubbing off on others. Like I've noticed even Sundar is doing bug support on X right now. So I'm happy that like you know that that's setting a good example.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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Contrarian Startup Advice

The Anti-YC Approach:

1. Idea Flexibility - Started without a clear product vision, opposite of Y Combinator's typical advice
2. Rapid AI Evolution - In fast-moving AI landscape, rigid adherence to one idea can be limiting
3. Build-First Mentality - Focus on immediately building and getting products in users' hands

The Balance:

• Don't Change Weekly: Avoid constant pivoting that prevents deep execution
• Brainstorm → Build → Test: Quick cycle from ideation to user feedback
• Market Timing: When technology is evolving rapidly, flexibility becomes more valuable than rigid planning

We started the company without actually having clear idea of what to build which is the opposite of what YC advises which is start from a project and turn it into a company. I really think at this point in time when AI is improving so fast you don't have to rigidly stick to any one idea.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Early Product Evolution:

• Natural Language SQL: Started as a search tool for relational databases
• Twitter Search Inspiration: Wanted to rebuild Facebook's graph search using language models
• Web-Scale Pivot: Realized the limitation of structured data and moved to unstructured web content

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The Graduate School Advantage

Self-Awareness Strategy:

1. Know Your Limitations - Start only in areas where you have genuine expertise
2. Intellectual Humility - Understand what's actually doable with your resources
3. Natural Relationships - Find co-founders through authentic interactions, not calculated networking

The Graduate School Model:

• Organic Connections: Long-term discussions and idea exchanges without ulterior motives
• Shared Interests: Bond over intellectual curiosity rather than business calculations
• Network Effects: Even failed startups provide access to future co-founder opportunities

Cuz that was the only thing I was good at. I was not good at anything else. Okay. So, what's the point in starting a company? I cannot start a delivery company or a social media company. Like, I'm not I'm not the right fit, right?

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Y Combinator Network Parallel:

• Long-term Value: Access to amazing people even if first venture fails
• Authentic Relationships: Talk to people because they're interesting, not for strategic reasons
• Future Opportunities: Today's peer could be tomorrow's co-founder

And I think that's essentially the value of the Y combinator network. So even if your first startup year fails, you get access to a lot of amazing people and maybe they could be your future co-founders.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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Essential Insights:

1. Infrastructure Challenges Validate Product-Market Fit - Daily scaling issues indicate genuine user adoption and rapid growth
2. Browser Strategy Over Chat Apps - Building a cognitive operating system is harder to replicate than another conversational AI tool
3. Speed Is the Only Sustainable Moat - When well-funded competitors enter your space, innovation velocity becomes your primary advantage

Actionable Insights:

• Focus on being world-class at one thing rather than mediocre at multiple areas
• Stay hands-on with technical details even as you scale leadership responsibilities
• In rapidly evolving markets like AI, idea flexibility can be more valuable than rigid planning
• Find co-founders through authentic relationships and shared intellectual interests, not calculated networking
• Build and test immediately rather than perfecting ideas in isolation

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People Mentioned:

• Sam Altman - OpenAI CEO, referenced as likely competitor in browser space
• Sundar Pichai - Google CEO, now doing bug support on X following Aravind's example

Companies & Products:

• Perplexity - AI-powered search engine discussed throughout the segment
• OpenAI - Major competitor attempting to acquire Cursor and building competitive products
• Anthropic - AI company that launched Claude Code as competition to coding tools
• Google Chrome - Existing browser with process-per-tab architecture that inspired new thinking
• Cursor - AI coding tool that's being targeted for acquisition by major players
• Twitter/X - Platform that inspired early search tool development and where CEO bug support now happens
• Facebook - Original graph search feature inspired early product vision
• Y Combinator - Startup accelerator whose advice was initially contradicted in company formation

Technologies & Tools:

• Natural Language SQL - Early product concept for converting user queries to database searches
• Relational Databases - Structured data format that limited early product scope
• Language Models - Core technology enabling reasoning and parsing capabilities

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Cognitive Operating System - Vision for browser as thinking interface rather than just navigation tool
• Process-Based Architecture - Each query/prompt as its own process, inspired by Chrome's tab model
• Intellectual Humility - Understanding your limitations and focusing on areas of genuine expertise

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The Retention Reality Check

The Two-Phase Product Test:

1. Initial Wow Factor - Every new product gets some excitement at launch
2. The Critical Drop - Usage either completely disappears or finds sustained levels
3. Magical Combination Discovery - Combining large language models with search created something special

Early Validation Signals:

• Repeated Usage: Early access users kept coming back consistently
• Database Success: Twitter, LinkedIn, and GitHub searches showed sustained engagement
• Discord Bot Momentum: Continuous usage without one-day novelty drop-off

So, whoever we gave early access to, they were all very excited about it. They kept using it repeatedly. I think there's a phenomenon in products where there's an initial wow factor... And then mostly either drops completely that that means you never had real retention or it it definitely drops but there sustained usage.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Courage to Launch:

• Strategic Timing: Launched 7 days after ChatGPT when it lacked web search
• Early AI Era: Most successful AI products today were 2022-early 2023 launches
• First-Mover Advantage: Being "old" in AI timescale became a competitive edge

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The Breakthrough Moment

The Perfect Storm of Imperfection:

1. Terrible Name - "Perplexity" was hard to pronounce and share
2. Awful Performance - 7 seconds per query response time
3. Quality Issues - Frequent hallucinations and mistakes
4. No-Name Status - Unknown company and founder with minimal funding

Despite Everything Wrong:

• 700,000 queries on New Year's Eve - People chose this over Netflix and celebrations
• Organic Sharing - Users caring enough to share screenshots
• Seed Stage Success - Only $1-2 million in funding at the time

For me, the aha moment was like the New Year Eve, there was like close to 700,000 queries. And I was like, okay, this has the crappiest name for a consumer product. It's called Perplexity. Very hard. Nobody even knows how to share it. And then it was so slow. Took seven seconds to answer for a query at the time.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Real Product-Market Fit Signal:

• Behavior Over Features: People used it despite massive flaws
• Timing Validation: High usage during leisure time proved real value
• Commitment Catalyst: This moment drove full dedication to the vision

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The Google Awakening

The Sundar Blog Post Moment:

1. External Validation - Google's CEO writing about Bard during Series A fundraising
2. Investor Skepticism - "Why build separately when Google has all the distribution?"
3. Strategic Realization - Understanding Google's fundamental conflict of interest

The Revenue Model Conflict:

• Hotel Booking Dilemma: Direct answers with booking links hurt Booking.com and Expedia revenue
• Flight Search Problem: Best flight recommendations conflict with Kayak and travel site ad revenue
• Shopping Contradiction: Amazon and Walmart ad bidding wars incompatible with good answers

It's not in their incentive to give you good answers at all. So that's when I realized that they have to build a separate product but they can never capitalize on their core distribution.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The AI Advantage Window:

• Model Quality Gap: Google had 4th or 5th best models through 2023-2024
• External AI Access: Startups could access better AI than Google used internally
• Historical Reversal: First time competing with Google while having superior AI technology

Risk Tolerance Differences:

• Startup Freedom: Can make mistakes without stock price impact
• Google Constraints: Single demo failure caused 6% stock drop
• Innovation Paralysis: Large company risk aversion creates startup opportunities

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The Innovation Theater Problem

The Google IO Pattern:

1. Annual Rebranding - Same feature gets new name each year
2. Different Leadership - New VP and team for identical functionality
3. Limited Rollout - Never actually launches to everyone despite announcements

The Perplexity-Like Feature Cycle:

• AI Overview: Last year's version, declared "Perplexity is dead"
• AI Mode: This year's rebrand, same death predictions
• Reality Gap: Features announced but users never actually see them

They just like change the name of it each Google IO and then not really... the same feature is being launched year after year after year with a different name with a different VP with a different group of people but it's the same thing except maybe it's getting better but it's never getting launched to everybody.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Why This Happens:

• Incentive Structure Problems: Hard to take stock hits for long-term correctness
• Risk Aversion: Bigger business means harder to take risks
• Competent People, Wrong System: Great engineers trapped in problematic incentive structure

It's largely the incentive structure. It's hard to like you know take a hit on your own stock and do the thing that's long-term correct.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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The New Information Access Landscape

The Comparison Revolution:

1. Historical Context - Previously comparing alternatives to Google was "a waste of time, a joke"
2. Current Reality - Users now actively compare Google, ChatGPT, Perplexity, and Gemini
3. Behavioral Shift - Many skip Google entirely, going straight to AI apps

The Multi-Option Future:

• Phone Integration: Phone makers offering multiple AI assistants as alternatives
• No Default Lock-in: End of single default search option dominance
• Fair Competition: Monopoly breakdown creates level playing field

Now at least you're like oh I first go ask this app like I I'll ask Google or I'll ask Chad GPT or I'll ask Perplexity or ask Gemini and then maybe you don't even ask Google anymore. You just ask the AI apps.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Why This Matters:

• Startup Opportunities: Creates openings that didn't exist before
• Consumer Choice: Users finally have meaningful alternatives
• Innovation Acceleration: Competition drives better products for everyone

So, I'm really happy that they're competing in a world where a monopoly hopefully doesn't exist and that creates a more fair ground for everybody.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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The Reality Behind the Hype Cycles

The Predictable Pattern:

1. Google IO Announcements - AI Overview and AI Mode launches
2. Twitter Reactions - "Perplexity is dead" comments flood social media
3. Business Reality - No actual impact on user numbers or growth

The Gap Between Buzz and Reality:

• Feature Accessibility: Google's announced features rarely reach real users
• Competitive Reality: OpenAI poses much more serious threat than Google's announcements
• User Behavior: People don't actually get exposed to Google's competitive features

I read all the Twitter comments every time the Google IO exactly the same set of comments repeated this year... Google IO last year was AI overview and perplexity is dead this year was AI mode and perplexity is dead... but it's the reality is like nobody actually gets exposed to those features.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Real Competition:

• ChatGPT Threat: Most successful consumer AI product with actual search capabilities
• Funding Advantage: Well-funded with no innovator's dilemma constraints
• Distribution Power: Massive existing user base for new features

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The Next-Level Strategy

The Browser as Abstraction Layer:

1. Above Chatbots - Browser operates at higher level than individual chat applications
2. Universal Integration - Can incorporate ChatGPT chats and other AI interactions
3. Memory and Personalization - Eliminates individual chatbot limitations

Unique Browser Capabilities:

• Multi-Tab Access: Work across different web pages simultaneously
• Browsing History Integration: Leverage entire web activity context
• Form Completion: Automatically handle web forms and transactions
• Financial Tasks: Pay credit cards and make purchases autonomously
• Research Automation: Periodic recurring tasks and comprehensive information gathering

I think comet the browser will be an abstraction layer above chat bots... if you permit comet all your chat GPT chats can you know be fed into that AI and like you don't even have to worry about memory or personalization.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Competitive Moat:

• Engineering Complexity: Mobile browser versions will take many months to build
• User Switching Costs: Browser changes are major decisions for users
• Technical Barriers: Difficult for others to copy quickly

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The Perfect AI-Native Experience

The Triple Integration:

1. AI Intelligence - Advanced reasoning and understanding capabilities
2. Navigation Flow - Seamless web browsing experience
3. Agent Actions - Autonomous task completion across platforms

Concrete Use Cases:

• Meeting Scheduling: Automatically coordinate calendar conflicts and send invites
• Email Management: Read and respond to emails you don't want to handle personally
• Event Filtering: Complex multi-step reasoning for attendee selection

Real-World Example:

Y Combinator Event Planning Scenario:

• Specific Criteria: "Only accept Stanford dropouts"
• Automated Process: Scrape applicant LinkedIn profiles
• Multi-Step Logic: Filter by university AND dropout status
• Final Action: Automatically accept qualified candidates

You can like for example let's say you're hosting a Y cominator event and you say I only want to accept Stanford dropouts and it can go through the entire list of people who applied and just filter based on who's you know took scrape their LinkedIn URLs filter based on whether they were Stanford and whether they dropped out or not.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Market Opportunity:

• Billion-User Market: Hundreds of millions already using AI daily
• Unique Positioning: No one has successfully combined all three elements
• First-Mover Advantage: Perfect blend of AI, navigation, and agents remains unbuilt

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Essential Insights:

1. Product Retention Truth - Real products survive the post-wow factor drop and maintain sustained usage
2. Imperfect Launch Success - 700,000 New Year's Eve queries despite terrible UX proved genuine product-market fit
3. Revenue Model Conflicts - Google can't provide best answers because it conflicts with their advertising business model

Actionable Insights:

• Look for sustained usage patterns beyond initial excitement when validating products
• Sometimes launching with imperfections reveals true user demand better than perfect products
• Identify structural conflicts in incumbent business models to find startup opportunities
• Build products that operate at abstraction layers above existing solutions for competitive advantage
• Focus on complex, multi-step reasoning capabilities that chatbots cannot easily replicate

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People Mentioned:

• Sundar Pichai - Google CEO who wrote blog post about Bard that triggered competitive realization
• Larry Page - Google co-founder mentioned as inspiration for user experience focus through book reading

Companies & Products:

• Perplexity - AI search engine discussed throughout, evolved from Twitter search tool
• ChatGPT - OpenAI's product launched shortly before Perplexity, major competitive threat
• Google Bard - Google's AI assistant that had public demo failure causing stock drop
• Cursor - AI coding tool mentioned as example of successful 2022-2023 AI product launches
• Discord - Platform where early Perplexity bot was tested for sustained usage
• Twitter/X - Platform used for early relational database search experiments
• LinkedIn - Professional network used in early search testing and browser automation examples
• GitHub - Developer platform included in early search validation
• Booking.com - Travel booking site that conflicts with Google providing direct answers
• Expedia - Travel site that benefits from Google's indirect answer approach
• Kayak - Flight booking site mentioned in revenue model conflict discussion
• Amazon - E-commerce giant that pays Google for ads, creating answer quality conflicts
• Walmart - Retailer competing with Amazon for Google ad placement

Technologies & Tools:

• Comet Browser - Perplexity's upcoming browser product designed as cognitive operating system
• AI Overview - Google's AI-powered search feature announced and rebranded annually
• AI Mode - Google's latest rebrand of AI-powered search functionality
• Google Chrome - Existing browser that Perplexity aims to compete against with superior AI integration

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Innovator's Dilemma - Business theory explaining why established companies struggle with disruptive innovation
• Abstraction Layer - Technical concept of browser operating above individual chatbot applications
• Multi-Step Reasoning - AI capability for complex task completion across multiple stages
• Product Retention Patterns - Framework for understanding initial wow factor versus sustained usage

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The Reality of AI-Assisted Development

Strategic Implementation Approach:

1. Mandatory Adoption - Required use of at least one AI coding tool across the company
2. Tool Mix - Primary use of Cursor with GitHub Copilot as supplement
3. Smart Boundaries - Careful distinction of where AI helps vs. where human expertise is critical

Where AI Coding Excels:

• Frontend Design: Tremendous adoption and productivity gains
• Machine Learning Research: Upload paper screenshots, implement algorithms in hours
• Rapid Prototyping: From concept to unit tests and experiments in 1 hour vs. 3-4 days
• Design Implementation: Upload app screenshots with feedback arrows, get Swift UI code changes

I mean, you you don't want to wipe code everything, right? Like like like we frequently run into infra issues and you don't want a wipe coder right there fixing it on live things on production like I do want like people well trained in regular software engineering, infrastructure, distributed systems.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Critical Human-Only Zones:

• Production Infrastructure: Live system fixes require human expertise
• Distributed Systems: Complex infrastructure needs traditional skills
• Critical Debugging: Understanding system architecture for major issues

Real Workflow Examples:

• Research Pipeline: Screenshot pseudo code → Cursor implementation → Unit tests → Live experiment
• Design Feedback: iOS app screenshot with arrow annotations → SwiftUI file changes
• Bug Fix Speed: Dramatically faster iteration from bug discovery to production fix

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The Dark Side of Automation

The Bug Multiplication Problem:

1. New Bug Categories - AI introduces types of errors that didn't exist before
2. Debugging Mystery - Engineers don't understand how bugs were created
3. Knowledge Gaps - Teams can't fix problems they didn't write

The Paradox:

• Speed vs. Understanding: Faster shipping but reduced comprehension
• Bug Detection: Bugs always emerge faster than code can be written
• Tool Evolution: Newer tools like Claude Code showing significant improvements over Cursor

But just just to be clear, I'm a big fan of all these tools, but it is also introducing new bugs and many people don't know how to fix them and they don't even know how the bug got introduced and they have to go find it again.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Optimistic Future View:

• Rapid Improvement: AI coding tools evolving quickly with each generation
• Smart Integration: Finding the right balance between AI assistance and human oversight
• Inevitable Direction: Despite current issues, this represents the future of development

So I'm actually like like really positive that this is the right future but there are there are issues right now.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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The Brand and Narrative Defense

The Multi-Million User Threshold:

1. Survival Rights - Reaching several million paying users creates defensive moat
2. Brand Value Persistence - Companies don't die quickly once scale is achieved
3. Competitive Coexistence - Multiple players can survive in same space

Real-World Evidence:

• Cursor Competitors: OpenAI building own version didn't kill Cursor
• Perplexity in ChatGPT: OpenAI's search feature didn't eliminate Perplexity
• Market Validation: Multiple successful companies prove space isn't winner-take-all

I mean brand definitely has a big value, right? Like there are cursor competitors, perplexity competitors like OpenAI will have like their own cursor. OpenAI has perplexity within chat GPT that did not kill any of these companies.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Narrative Strategy:

Core Differentiators:

• Accuracy Obsession: "Let there exist 100 chat bots but we are the most focused on getting as many answers right as possible"
• Speed Leadership: Fastest time to first token despite doing search
• Presentation Quality: Obsessive focus on how answers are displayed

Building Unshakeable Identity:

• Passionate Focus: Obsess about specific things because you genuinely care
• Clear Communication: Tell people exactly why you need to exist
• Consistent Execution: Maintain focus areas that become your reputation

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The Portability Problem

The WhatsApp Comparison:

1. Meta's Brand Issues - Users don't trust Meta products, see them as ad-focused
2. Switching Impossibility - Can't leave WhatsApp because contacts and groups create lock-in
3. AI's Export Reality - ChatGPT history easily exportable to competitors

Current AI Limitations:

• No Contact Dependencies: AI apps don't require your network to be on same platform
• Easy Data Migration: Chat histories and preferences transfer between services
• Individual Usage: Most AI interactions are personal, not social

AI doesn't quite have that yet. Uh mainly because you can easily export your chat GPT history, upload it somewhere else or uh things like that.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Browser Network Effect Strategy:

Stickiness Factors:

• Browsing History: More complex to export than simple chat logs
• Password Management: Integrated credential storage creates friction
• Agent Memory: AI remembers user preferences and behaviors
• Running Tasks: Daily workflows dependent on browser-based processes

Multi-User Dependencies:

• Shared Tasks: When multiple people rely on same automated processes
• Team Workflows: Collaborative agent activities create group dependencies
• Integration Depth: Deep connections with daily work and personal life

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The Integration Advantage

Partnership Portfolio Reality:

Current Integrations:

• SelfBook - Powers native hotel bookings directly in Perplexity
• TripAdvisor - Surfaces hotel and location reviews
• Yelp - Restaurant and local business data integration
• Shopify - E-commerce merchant partnerships for direct sales
• Klarna - Financial services for native purchase support

Specialized Data Providers:

• Maps Integration: Geographic and location-based services
• Sports Data: Stats Perform for comprehensive sports information
• Financial Data: FMP for market and financial information
• Multiple Merchants: Direct selling relationships with various retailers

So we we already work with self book uh they power all the hotel bookings natively done on perplexity. We work with trip advisor to surface all the reviews of hotels and different you know places.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Network Effect Creation:

1. Superior Product Quality - Better integrations mean better user experience
2. Competitive Moats - Rivals must build same partnerships and deals
3. Expansion Potential - Agent capabilities will drive more partnership opportunities

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The MCP vs. Browser Strategy

The MCP Server Challenge:

1. Reliability Dependency - Requires third-party MCP servers to work perfectly
2. Data Quality Issues - MCP protocol data must be flawless for chatbot integration
3. Engineering Dependencies - Success relies on other companies' technical execution

Browser Agent Advantages:

• Human-Like Interaction - Operates websites exactly as humans would
• Full Control - No dependence on third-party engineering quality
• Universal Compatibility - Works with any website regardless of MCP support
• User Permission Model - Agent acts on behalf of user with their explicit consent

If you commit entirely to MCP vision, you require these third party MCP servers to work reliably... On the other hand, if you just ground up design it as the way a human would use that website, you have full control over like how to how to do it.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Strategic Flexibility:

Dual Approach Benefits:

• MCP When Available: Use APIs when companies provide reliable MCP servers
• Browser When Needed: Fall back to human-like website interaction
• No Waiting: Don't need to wait for third parties to build integrations
• Website Preservation: Respects companies that want to maintain their web presence

Control Advantage:

• Engineering Independence: Success doesn't depend on external teams
• User Experience Consistency: Reliable performance regardless of third-party decisions
• Scalability: Can integrate with any web service without partnership negotiations

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Essential Insights:

1. AI Coding Balance - Mandatory adoption for speed while preserving human expertise for critical infrastructure
2. Brand as Moat - Multi-million user brands earn survival rights even when code becomes easily replicable
3. Partnership Strategy - Extensive integrations create competitive advantages and network effects

Actionable Insights:

• Implement AI coding tools strategically with clear boundaries for human-only zones
• Focus obsessively on specific differentiators to build unshakeable brand identity
• Build dual-approach systems (APIs + browser agents) for maximum flexibility and control
• Reach millions of paying users to achieve defensive brand value against competitors
• Create deep integrations with multiple partners to build competitive moats

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Companies & Products:

• Perplexity - 200-person AI search company implementing strategic AI coding adoption
• Cursor - AI coding tool used mandatorily across Perplexity for frontend development
• GitHub Copilot - AI coding assistant used alongside Cursor at Perplexity
• Claude Code - Anthropic's coding tool mentioned as superior to current options
• OpenAI - Building competitive cursor and search products within ChatGPT
• ChatGPT - AI assistant with search features competing directly with Perplexity
• WhatsApp - Messaging app used as example of strong network effects through contact dependencies
• Meta - Company with questionable brand trust but strong network effect products
• SelfBook - Hotel booking platform powering native bookings in Perplexity
• TripAdvisor - Travel review platform integrated for hotel and location reviews
• Yelp - Local business review platform providing restaurant and business data
• Shopify - E-commerce platform partnering for direct merchant sales integration
• Klarna - Financial services company supporting native purchase transactions
• Stats Perform - Sports data provider offering comprehensive athletic information
• FMP - Financial data provider for market and investment information

Technologies & Tools:

• SwiftUI - Apple's framework mentioned for iOS app development with AI assistance
• MCP Servers - Model Context Protocol servers for API-based AI integrations
• MCP Protocol - Communication standard for AI-third party service interactions

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Brand Network Effects - Concept that brand reputation creates user retention independent of technical features
• Mandatory AI Adoption - Company policy requiring use of AI coding tools across all development teams
• Dual Integration Strategy - Approach combining API partnerships with browser-based automation for maximum flexibility
• User Permission Model - Framework where AI agents act on behalf of users with explicit consent
• Multi-Million User Threshold - The scale needed to achieve defensive brand value against competitors

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The Revenue Reality Check

The Google Standard Truth:

1. Unprecedented Margins - No business in history, including Google's other ventures, matches search ad margins
2. Reasonable Expectations - Can build something "far far better than any public company" while still being "way below Google"
3. AI Disruption Theory - Maybe Google's model was so good it needed AI to finally challenge it

I don't know if you'll ever get order of magnitude profits as Google... No one in the history even Google themselves never has had another business that had the margins that Google has.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Multi-Revenue Strategy:

1. Subscription Foundation:

• Unexpected Success: "We never expected to get this far"
• Billions Potential: Growth trajectory toward "a few billions a year in just subs"
• Solid Business Base: Subscriptions provide predictable revenue foundation

2. Usage-Based Pricing:

• Task Completion Model: Pay per agent task or recurring task usage
• Human Cost Comparison: Pricing normalized against cost of hiring humans for same work
• Volume vs. Margin Trade-off: Potentially higher volume but lower margins than subscriptions

3. Transaction Cuts:

• AI-Driven Commerce: Taking percentage of purchases made through AI recommendations
• Historical Context: CPAs (Cost Per Action) traditionally lower margins than CPCs (Cost Per Click)
• Google's Choice: Why Google never became transaction platform despite opportunity

Google Google's business model is potentially the best business model ever. Ever.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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The Fear-Driven Excellence Philosophy

The Inevitable Copy Reality:

1. Revenue Pressure: Model companies with $50 billion raises need to justify capex spending
2. Copy Everything Good: They will duplicate anything making hundreds of millions or billions
3. Constant Threat: Must assume any big hit will be immediately replicated

The Survival Mindset:

• Embrace the Fear: Live with constant threat of being copied
• Speed as Moat: Move fast as the only sustainable competitive advantage
• Identity Building: Create unique brand identity that transcends features

You should assume that if you have a big hit, if your company is something that can make revenue on the scale of hundreds of millions of dollars or potentially billions of dollars, you should always assume that a model company will copy it.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Human Choice Analogy:

House Help Example: When searching for specific house help, people want that particular person, not a general agency that "handles all of it."

Application to Business: Users develop preferences for specific brands and experiences even when features are similar.

The Daily Practice:

• Sleep with Fear: Constant awareness of competitive threats
• Wake Up Excited: Channel anxiety into enthusiasm for building
• Hard Work Foundation: "There is no substitute for it" - fundamental requirement
• User Focus: Remember that customers ultimately care about specific experiences

I think you got to live with that fear. You have to embrace it and realize that like your mode comes from moving fast and building your own identity around what you're doing because users at the end care.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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The Academic Success Story

Real Student Impact:

• Perfect Score Achievement: Student got 100 in Theory of Knowledge course using Perplexity
• No Shame Approach: Open acknowledgment of AI assistance in academic work
• Gratitude Expression: Personal thanks from students who achieved academic success

The Samsung Partnership Implications:

• Pre-installation Potential: Discussions about default installation on Samsung phones
• $14 Billion Valuation: Bloomberg sources reporting potential massive valuation increase
• Mainstream Responsibility: Heavy responsibility becoming default search for general population

"Uh, hi, my name is Sammy and I just want to personally thank you for helping me get a 100 in my theory of knowledge course. Uh, would not have been able to do it without you. No shame." - Student Question

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The Hallucination Prevention Strategy

The Scale Responsibility:

1. Mass Distribution Pressure - Potential default installation on millions of Samsung devices
2. Mainstream Consequences - Incorrect information reaching general population at scale
3. Trust Requirements - Heavy responsibility for accuracy when serving mass market

Technical Solutions:

• Internal Benchmarks: Building comprehensive testing systems to track hallucination rates
• Better Search Index: Continuously improving web page indexing and snippet capture
• Multi-Step Reasoning: Models can now reason through multiple steps without excessive cost
• Cost-Benefit Balance: Speed improvements allow more thorough verification without breaking budgets

Hallucinations is something we we really care about. We we're building benchmarks internally uh to keep up to date with that. The only way there is to keep building a better search index.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Engineering Approach:

• Better Data Capture: Enhanced web page snippet extraction
• Model Reasoning: Advanced models performing multi-step verification
• Continuous Monitoring: Internal systems tracking accuracy metrics
• Systematic Improvement: Iterative enhancement of underlying search infrastructure

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The Innovator's Dilemma Reality

The Impossible Job:

1. Universal Difficulty - "Nobody in the world wants that job"
2. No Envy Factor - Even competitors recognize the challenge
3. Data Advantage Trap - Having more user data doesn't solve the strategic dilemma

The Core Conflicts:

• Business Model Sacrifice: Whether to abandon profitable ads for better AI experience
• Distribution Dilemma: Use massive reach advantage or protect it with separate products
• AI Resistance: Many users actually hate AI being forced into their experience
• Ad Integration Problem: Including ads in AI answers makes users hate the experience

I I think I don't envy that job at all. Um I I nobody in the world wants that job. It's it's it's a very difficult job.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Strategic Uncertainty:

The Big Questions:

• Sacrifice business model for next-generation product?
• Build separate product and lose distribution advantage?
• Force AI on users who don't want it?
• Integrate ads into AI and ruin user experience?

I don't like genuinely I don't know. I think uh I can say all what I want but they have more data on like what their users are doing and um there are a lot of people in the world who hate AI by the way.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

Why Alternatives Matter:

• User Choice: Good that alternatives like Perplexity exist
• Pressure Relief: Gives Google space to figure out their strategy
• Market Health: Prevents forced AI adoption on reluctant users

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The Celebrity Internship Story

The Nikhil Kamath Visit:

1. Office Visit Reality - He actually came to Perplexity offices and spent time there
2. Not Official Internship - More of an extended conversation and learning experience
3. Unpublicized Experience - Waiting for the celebrity to share his own account

The Approach:

• Genuine Interest: Celebrity requested internship opportunity in public interview
• Real Engagement: Actual time spent at company offices learning about operations
• Respectful Discretion: Letting celebrity control narrative about his experience

He came he came to the office. He spent a couple of days. I mean he hasn't posted about it. So I'll let him post about it. But we did spend time with him.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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Essential Insights:

1. Revenue Realism - Google's business model margins are historically unprecedented and likely unmatchable
2. Survival Strategy - Embrace fear of being copied, move fast, and build unique identity as only sustainable approach
3. Responsibility Scale - Moving from startup to potential default search engine brings massive responsibility for accuracy

Actionable Insights:

• Build multiple revenue streams (subscriptions, usage-based, transactions) rather than depending on single model
• Accept that big hits will be copied and focus on speed and identity as competitive advantages
• Invest heavily in accuracy systems when serving mass market to prevent misinformation at scale
• Work incredibly hard as fundamental requirement with no substitutes
• Develop internal benchmarks and continuous improvement systems for product quality

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People Mentioned:

• Sundar Pichai - Google CEO referenced in innovator's dilemma discussion
• Nikhil Kamath - Entrepreneur who visited Perplexity offices for informal internship experience
• Sammy - Student who achieved perfect score in Theory of Knowledge course using Perplexity
• Akshad - Audience member asking about celebrity internship

Companies & Products:

• Perplexity - AI search company discussed throughout, potential Samsung default installation
• Google - Search giant with historically unprecedented business model margins
• Samsung - Phone manufacturer in discussions for pre-installing Perplexity
• Nvidia - Partnership mentioned for shipping AI models across Europe
• Bloomberg - Financial news source reporting $14 billion valuation speculation

Technologies & Tools:

• Theory of Knowledge Course - Academic subject where student achieved perfect score using AI assistance
• Internal Benchmarks - Perplexity's systems for tracking and preventing hallucinations
• Search Index - Technical infrastructure for capturing and organizing web content
• Multi-Step Reasoning - AI capability for thorough verification without excessive computational cost

Concepts & Frameworks:

• CPAs vs CPCs - Cost Per Action versus Cost Per Click advertising models and their margin differences
• Innovator's Dilemma - Business theory about established companies struggling with disruptive innovation
• Usage-Based Pricing - Revenue model where customers pay per task completion or recurring use
• Transaction Revenue - Business model taking percentage cuts from AI-facilitated purchases
• Hallucination Prevention - Systematic approach to reducing AI-generated incorrect information

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The Search Integration Challenge

The Competitive Reality:

1. Universal Integration - LLMs like ChatGPT, Gemini, and companies like Cohere all adding search
2. Core Feature Commoditization - Search capability becoming standard across AI platforms
3. Strategic Response - Pick something distinctive to be known for while building new products

The Browser Evolution Strategy:

• Natural Progression: Browser is graduate step from search, like Google's journey from search to Chrome
• Historical Validation: Google went from 100 million queries at IPO to 10 billion with Chrome
• Agent Requirement: "Agents can only be built with a browser" - mobile agents need browser foundation

Pick something you want to like be known for? Uh yes there are other people integrating search but we still want to be the fastest and most accurate and obviously I cannot just say that and and then stop like we need to figure out a new strategy too.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Mobile Agent Vision:

Platform Independence Benefits:

• OS Rule Freedom: Avoid restrictions Apple or Google set for third-party app calls
• MCP Server Reality: Not every mobile app will build MCP servers for AI integration
• Disintermediation Resistance: Companies don't want to be quickly replaced by AI
• Browser Solution: Universal approach that works regardless of app cooperation

Browser and search are not two distinctive products. They're actually like the browser is a natural graduation step from search just like how Google graduated from Google search to Chrome.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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The Failure Recovery Mindset

The Elon Musk Inspiration:

1. YouTube Motivation - Watches Elon Musk videos during challenging moments
2. Specific Video Reference - Third failure in a row, asked what he thinks
3. Never Give Up Philosophy - "I don't ever give up. I would have to be dead or incapacitated"

The Entrepreneur's Dilemma:

The Moment of Truth: When features aren't working, bugs appear, everything seems to crash down

The Choice: Keep fighting or return to safety (like going back to OpenAI job)

I just watched uh the Elon Musk videos on YouTube. No, I'm serious... There's a video where there's like a third failure in a row and like what do you think? And he's like I don't ever give up. I would have to be dead or incapacitated.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Mindset Philosophy:

Personal Commitment:

• Aspiring to Persistence: "I hope to like stay that way. It's not easy."
• Respect for Longevity: Acknowledging Elon's longer track record of persistence
• Example Following: Learning from entrepreneurs who succeeded "despite all the odds stacked against them"

The Final Question:

"What do you have to lose? Just keep going."

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The Website Traffic Apocalypse Question

The Traffic Reduction Reality:

1. Study Evidence - AI search engines like Perplexity drive significantly less traffic to websites
2. Operations Threat - Websites may cease operations due to reduced traffic
3. Content Creation Crisis - Web could become "a lot quieter place for content creation"

The Power Law Prediction:

• Skewed Distribution: The parallel (Pareto distribution) will become "even more skewed"
• Brand Survival: Well-known brands will preserve direct organic visits
• SEO Gaming Victims: Sites trying to game SEO systems will have harder time

I think that there are going to be uh, you know, the web is already pretty long tail uh, and there's a massive power loss. So I I feel like the parallel is going to get even more skewed.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Natural Selection:

Winners vs. Losers:

• Established Brands: Strong brands maintain direct user relationships
• Quality Content: Valuable content finds ways to reach audiences
• SEO Manipulation: Sites dependent on search gaming face extinction
• Long Tail Impact: Smaller sites face disproportionate challenges

Future Web Structure:

• Fewer but Stronger: Concentration around valuable, trusted sources
• Direct Relationships: Premium on brands that users seek directly
• Quality Over Quantity: Natural selection favoring genuinely useful content

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The Intellectual Property Tightrope

The Truth vs. Opinion Spectrum:

Objective Facts:

• Clear Truth Cases: NBA game scores, live weather in San Francisco
• Zero Tolerance: "You don't want to be wrong ever on those queries"
• Trust Chain: Even objective facts rely on trusted data providers (TV broadcasts, Apple weather, Google weather)

Subjective Matters:

• No Clear Answer: Topics without single objective truth
• Multiple Perspectives: "Offer all the perspectives and not really take a clear opinion"
• Neutral Stance: Avoid declaring right/wrong when answers are inherently subjective

Yeah, I think there are cases where you actually have objective truth, right? Like what was the score in the NBA game? what is the live weather right now in San Francisco where you don't want to you don't want to be wrong ever on those queries.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Trust Building Strategy:

Accuracy Foundation:

• Reliable Performance: "Trust is built over time based on being being accurate reliably"
• Right Source Selection: "Trying to surface the right data from the right people who have earned the right to like like be surface in AI"
• Source Authority: Prioritizing sources that have established credibility

Evaluation Challenges:

• Subjective Assessment: No automated evaluation possible for opinion-based topics
• Human Evaluator Quality: Need "much smarter people" than typical scale AI evaluations
• Wikipedia Limitation: Relying on Wikipedia may miss valuable perspectives not documented there

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The Go-to-Market Reality Check

The Distribution Strategy:

1. Beyond Traditional Channels - Reach users not on Twitter or LinkedIn
2. Bubble Recognition - "We just are living in a bubble here"
3. Strategic Partnerships - Work with businesses that have access to different audiences

The Costco Example:

Target Insight: People who use Costco regularly may not be using AI regularly

Strategic Implication: Need different approach to reach mainstream, non-tech audiences

You know, there are a lot of people who don't use Twitter or LinkedIn and and and and they're all like they all exist in the world. We just are living in a bubble here.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

The Adjacency Strategy:

Smart Expansion Approach:

• Overlap Requirement: "There should be some overlap" between audience segments
• Word of Mouth Carriers: Need people who bridge different circles
• Non-Overlapping Growth: Gradually expand to completely different user groups
• Evolution Over Time: Distribution strategy must continuously adapt

Campaign Examples:

• Student Campaign: Targeted approach for college demographic
• Costco Collaboration: Reaching mainstream consumer audience
• Adjacency Benefits: Having some shared users who can advocate across segments

It's good to grow with adjacencies like you do want to have some overlapping sets of people who would be the word of mouth carriers as they help you expand to more you know non-over overlappinging circles.

Aravind SrinivasPerplexity | Co-founder & CEO

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Essential Insights:

1. Feature Commoditization Response - When core features get copied, double down on quality while building entirely new product categories
2. Persistence Philosophy - Draw inspiration from entrepreneurs who never give up, use role models during challenging moments
3. Web Evolution Reality - AI search will create winner-take-all dynamics, favoring established brands over SEO-dependent sites

Actionable Insights:

• Build browser-based solutions to avoid platform restrictions and create agent capabilities
• Use video content and role models for motivation during failure moments and setbacks
• Focus on being fastest and most accurate while developing next-generation products
• Balance objective truth delivery with multi-perspective presentation for subjective topics
• Expand marketing beyond tech bubbles using adjacency strategy with overlapping user segments

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People Mentioned:

• Elon Musk - Entrepreneur cited as motivation source during failure moments, known for "never give up" philosophy
• Angela - Audience member asking about go-to-market strategy and customer targeting

Companies & Products:

• Perplexity - AI search company facing increased competition from major tech platforms
• ChatGPT - OpenAI's AI assistant that added search capabilities as competitive response
• Gemini - Google's AI platform integrating search functionality
• Cohere - AI company also adding search capabilities to their platform
• Google Chrome - Browser example of successful graduation from search to browsing platform
• OpenAI - Former employer option referenced when discussing career choices during startup struggles
• Costco - Retail partnership example for reaching mainstream, non-tech audiences
• Wikipedia - Information source discussed in context of handling subjective topics
• Apple - Platform company that sets OS rules limiting third-party app interactions
• Google - Platform company referenced for mobile OS restrictions and weather data

Technologies & Tools:

• YouTube - Platform used for accessing motivational content during challenging entrepreneurial moments
• MCP Servers - Model Context Protocol servers for AI integrations with third-party applications
• SEO Systems - Search Engine Optimization approaches that may become less effective with AI search

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Adjacency Strategy - Marketing approach using overlapping audience segments to expand reach
• Power Law Distribution - Mathematical concept describing concentration of web traffic among few sites
• Tech Bubble Recognition - Awareness that tech community perspectives don't represent general population
• Trust Building - Long-term strategy for establishing accuracy and reliability with users
• Objective vs Subjective Truth - Framework for handling different types of information requests

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