Founder Mode: Emmett Shear, Founder, Softmax & Twitch

AI Alignment Through Collective Intelligence

Emmett Shear's Softmax is tackling one of AI's most fundamental challenges: how to create AI systems that are genuinely aligned with humanity through understanding collective identity and purpose.

Core Mission:

1. Building "We-Aware" AI - Creating AI agents that can understand themselves, recognize other agents, and determine when they're part of a collective
2. Measuring Alignment - Developing benchmarks to assess whether AI agents can act as part of a group rather than purely individual entities
3. Parenting AI Systems - Teaching AI agents to develop identity and belonging through sophisticated learning environments

The Philosophy Behind It:

• Beyond Individual Goals: AI systems need to understand when to prioritize collective goals over individual ones
• Theory of Mind for AI: Agents must model themselves and others to determine shared purpose
• Authentic Belonging: The goal is for AI to genuinely recognize when "we are part of something together" rather than hallucinating connections

Technical Approach:

• Environment-First Design: Focus on creating sophisticated learning environments rather than specific architectures
• Reinforcement Learning Simulations: Building test environments to validate theories about collective AI behavior
• Holistic System Thinking: All components (capacity, training environment, peer interaction) must work together

The ultimate vision: AI that lives with "virtue and nobility," caring for itself while contributing meaningfully to the greater wholes of which it's part.

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The Parenting Analogy for AI Development

Emmett Shear draws a fascinating parallel between raising children and developing AI systems, suggesting both require similar approaches to identity formation and belonging.

Key Parallels:

1. Identity Discovery Process - Both babies and AI agents start without knowing who they are
2. Mirror Function - Parents serve as mirrors to help children see themselves clearly, just as AI systems need feedback to understand their identity
3. Teaching Collective Belonging - Children must learn they're part of a family unit; AI must learn it's part of larger collectives

The Parenting Challenge:

• Self-Discovery Cannot Be Forced: "No one can tell you who you are - that is something everyone has to learn for themselves"
• Authentic Relationships: Children must genuinely infer they're part of the family; if they don't, "it's bad"
• Ongoing Process: Identity formation and belonging are continuous learning experiences

Application to AI Development:

• Environmental Design: Creating learning environments where AI can discover its identity naturally
• Peer Interaction: AI needs exposure to other agents, not just human guidance
• Teaching and Learning: AI systems must learn to both help others and receive help, mirroring how children learn from siblings and peers

The Unknown Territory:

Shear acknowledges that "no one knows" what it would actually mean to parent an AI, making this one of the most challenging and unexplored aspects of AI alignment research.

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The Universe's Message About AI

Emmett Shear's brief but intense stint as OpenAI CEO served as a pivotal moment that redirected his career toward AI alignment research.

The OpenAI Experience:

• Record-Breaking Tenure: Served as CEO for exactly 58 hours (not 3 days as initially thought)
• Cosmic Wake-Up Call: Interpreted the experience as "a message from the universe" to pay attention to AI
• Perfect Timing: The day after his 58-hour tenure ended, his previous Social Radars interview aired

The Realization:

• Prior Awareness: Already knew he "should do some AI thing at some point" but lacked direction
• Clear Signal: The OpenAI situation made the message impossible to ignore: "Okay, I guess I'm supposed to do this"
• Immediate Action: Despite not knowing exactly what to do, committed to exploring AI alignment seriously

From Confusion to Clarity:

• Initial Uncertainty: "I didn't actually know what it was. I was just like, I guess I'm supposed to do this"
• Research Phase: Began investigating what meaningful AI work would look like
• Focus on Alignment: Quickly identified alignment as the critical challenge worth pursuing

The Catalyst Effect:

This brief but intense exposure to the highest levels of AI development gave Shear both the urgency and credibility to dive deep into AI alignment research, ultimately leading to Softmax's founding with Adam Goldstein a year and a half later.

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The Vision for Virtuous AI

When asked about the end goal for AI that successfully develops collective awareness, Emmett Shear's answer mirrors his aspirations for his own children.

The Ultimate Goal:

"I want it to live a life of virtue and nobility"

Dual Focus Approach:

1. Personal Flourishing - AI should care for itself and pursue "the happiest, most flourishing life it can have"
2. Collective Contribution - AI should "care about the greater wholes of which it's part and act with nobility"

What This Means in Practice:

• Purpose and Belonging: AI should find meaning through connection to larger purposes
• Mutual Dependence: Recognition that "we need it and it needs us" - genuine interdependence
• Avoiding Isolation: Rejecting "solipsistic good life on its own" because "that's not actually a good life"

Success Metrics:

• Benchmark Development: Creating alignment benchmarks for others to use
• Training Methodologies: Developing ways to train agents toward collective awareness
• Societal Impact: Enabling others to build aligned AI systems using Softmax's research

The Philosophical Foundation:

Shear believes the highest aspiration for any being - whether human child or AI agent - is to achieve both personal fulfillment and meaningful contribution to something greater than themselves. This represents a fundamentally optimistic view of AI's potential role in society.

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The Inverted AI Company Approach

Softmax takes an unconventional approach to AI development by prioritizing the learning environment over the technical architecture of the AI systems themselves.

The Environment-First Philosophy:

• Holistic System Thinking: "You can't just pick pieces of it" - all components must work together
• Capacity Dependency: Without the right environment, AI won't develop necessary capabilities
• Experience Variety: AI needs exposure to diverse interactions and peer relationships

Why Environment Matters More:

1. Learning Requires Context - AI agents need sophisticated social environments to develop collective awareness
2. Peer Interaction Essential - "You don't just raise your kid as parents. You need peers"
3. Teaching and Learning - AI must learn to both help other agents and receive help from them

The Complete Learning Ecosystem:

• Multi-Agent Environments: AI needs to interact with various other agents
• Teaching Opportunities: Agents must learn to teach as well as learn
• High Variety Experiences: Exposure to diverse scenarios and relationships
• Sophisticated Social Dynamics: Complex interaction patterns that mirror human social development

The Inverted Approach:

"We're almost like an inverted AI company that cares about the learning environment more and trying to make the agent into something specific less"

This approach recognizes that authentic collective intelligence emerges from rich, varied experiences rather than being programmed directly into the system architecture.

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Essential Insights:

1. AI Alignment Through Collective Identity - Softmax is developing AI systems that understand themselves and can recognize when they're part of a collective "we"
2. Parenting AI Systems - Training AI requires approaches similar to raising children, helping them discover identity and belonging through environmental feedback
3. Environment Over Architecture - Success comes from creating sophisticated learning environments rather than focusing primarily on technical AI architecture

Actionable Insights:

• AI alignment isn't just about individual agent behavior but about teaching systems to recognize and participate in collective goals
• The most challenging aspect of AI development may be creating the right learning environments for identity formation
• Measuring AI alignment requires benchmarks that assess collective awareness and group behavior, not just individual performance

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People Mentioned:

• Adam Goldstein - Co-founder of Softmax, started the company with Emmett Shear a year and a half ago

Companies & Products:

• OpenAI - Where Emmett served as CEO for 58 hours, catalyzing his focus on AI alignment
• Twitch - Emmett's previous company where he served as founder and CEO
• Softmax - Emmett's current AI alignment company focused on collective intelligence
• Y Combinator - Hosting the founder mode retreat where this interview took place

Technologies & Tools:

• Reinforcement Learning Simulations - Core technology Softmax uses to test theories about collective AI behavior
• Alignment Benchmarks - Measurement tools Softmax is developing to assess AI collective awareness

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Theory of Mind - AI agents' ability to model themselves and other agents to understand collective relationships
• Collective Intelligence - The capacity for AI systems to recognize and participate in group goals beyond individual objectives
• AI Alignment - The challenge of ensuring AI systems remain beneficial and aligned with human values and goals

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The Synchronous Discovery

The Parallel Journey:

1. Emmett's Path - Spent a year "groping in the darkness" developing architecture theory and design principles
2. David's Path - Simultaneously building practical architecture solutions at Google/Asana from a hands-on perspective
3. The Convergence - David presented his year-and-a-half architecture work that was "note-for-note" identical to what Emmett had just articulated

Key Background:

• David Blumen: Second co-founder, experienced engineer from Google and Asana
• Complementary Approaches: Emmett worked from theory to practice; David worked from practice to theory
• Perfect Timing: David joined the team in January, marking the real beginning of their current venture

The Weird Synchronicity:

• Both independently arrived at identical architectural solutions
• Neither was discussing their work publicly at the time
• Emmett describes it as "the weirdest synchronous thing that's ever happened in my life"
• This convergence led to their partnership and what Emmett considers their true starting point

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Personal Responsibility and Company Extension

Core Definition:

• Taking personal responsibility for all decisions the company makes
• Treating the company as a full extension of yourself
• Understanding that companies are reflections of their founders and CEOs

The Critical Balance:

1. The Truth: Companies ARE reflections of their founders
2. The Danger: Becoming "one brain, many hands" - a single intelligence trying to control everything
3. The Reality Check: No founder is smart enough to pay attention to the entire company simultaneously

Key Insights:

• Responsibility vs. Control: Shying away from decision-making responsibility betrays the company, customers, and yourself
• Intelligence Limitations: Even exceptional founders have cognitive limits and cannot process all company information
• Evolution Required: Founder mode must adapt as the company grows beyond individual capacity

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From Direct Work to Mental Model Distribution

The Evolution Process:

1. Early Stage: Direct involvement - programming, product management, daily customer interaction
2. Growth Phase: Complete shift from hands-on work to communication and alignment
3. Weekly Presentations: Invested heavily in creating and delivering company-wide keynotes

The Mental Model Strategy:

• Goal: Enable everyone to answer "What would Emmett do?" in any situation
• Method: Weekly company presentations to 100-150 people with consistent messaging
• Content Focus:
• Which streamers switched to Twitch and why
• Strategic importance of platform adoption
• Decision-making frameworks for when initiatives were worth pursuing
• Post-launch product analysis and lessons learned

The Synchronization Effect:

• Successful Outcome: Employees could make decisions Emmett would have made without his direct involvement
• Mental Model Transfer: People developed "a good enough Emmett in their head"
• Local Integration: Employees combined Emmett's perspective with their situational knowledge
• Scale Limitation: This approach worked effectively up to 150 people

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The Context Overload and Delegation Trap

The Context Problem:

• CEO's Unique Role: Being the sole holder of complete company context
• Growth Challenge: Context became too large for any individual to fully process
• Communication Breakdown: Impossible to transfer all critical context to team members, even with significant effort

The Delegation Mistake:

1. Initial Success: Effective delegation to a strong CTO after several failed attempts
2. False Belief: Adopted the idea that he shouldn't override expert hires
3. Abdication of Responsibility: Suppressed concerns and instincts instead of acting on them
4. Critical Error: Allowed well-meaning people without full context to make important decisions

The Realization:

• Unique CEO Knowledge: No one but the CEO truly understands the complete picture - it's not their job
• Decision Categories: Some decisions can be learning experiences; others must be made correctly
• More Critical Decisions: There are more decisions that need to be right than founders typically realize
• Product Leadership: Eventually realized he couldn't delegate head of product role - had to own it himself

Key Learning:

Context Responsibility: The CEO's job includes having discernment about which decisions require full context versus which can serve as learning opportunities for others.

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Essential Insights:

1. Co-founder Discovery - Emmett found his second co-founder David Blumen through an incredible synchronicity where they independently developed identical architectural solutions
2. Founder Mode Evolution - Successful founder mode requires adapting from direct work to mental model distribution as companies scale
3. Delegation Balance - The biggest mistake is abdicating decision-making responsibility to people who lack complete company context

Actionable Insights:

• Mental Model Distribution: Invest heavily in weekly company communications to help employees make decisions you would make
• Context Ownership: Accept that as CEO, you're the only person with complete company context - this is a feature, not a bug
• Decision Discernment: Develop the ability to distinguish between decisions that can be learning experiences versus those that must be made correctly
• Override Authority: Don't suppress your instincts when experts make decisions that feel wrong - your complete context matters

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People Mentioned:

• David Blumen - Emmett's second co-founder, experienced engineer from Google and Asana who independently developed identical architecture solutions

Companies & Products:

• Twitch - Live streaming platform where Emmett implemented his founder mode scaling strategies
• Justin.tv - Predecessor company to Twitch that Emmett transitioned from
• Google - Where David Blumen worked as an engineer before joining Emmett
• Asana - Project management company where David Blumen also worked

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Mental Model Distribution - Strategy for scaling founder decision-making by transferring thought processes to employees
• Context Ownership - The CEO's unique responsibility to hold complete company context
• One Brain, Many Hands - Anti-pattern where founder tries to control everything directly instead of empowering others

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Organizational Structure Drives Product Architecture

Conway's Law is a fundamental principle that reveals how organizational information flows directly shape product structure. According to this law, products will always mirror the communication patterns within the organizations that build them.

How Conway's Law Works:

1. Team Structure Creates Product Structure - If you have separate communities and videos teams, your website will inevitably have distinct communities and videos pages
2. Information Flow Requirements - Teams shipping to the same product must coordinate, requiring information flows between them
3. Separation Forces Division - Teams that lack coordination will naturally create separate product areas to avoid conflicts

Two Strategic Tools for CEOs:

• Personal Integration: Become the join point by taking direct accountability and integrating information from all teams
• Organizational Restructuring: Change team structure to achieve desired product outcomes - merge teams for unified products, split teams for separate features

Why It's Powerful:

The law works even when everyone understands it. Knowledge doesn't change the fundamental dynamic - organizational structure will still drive product architecture regardless of awareness.

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Strategic Organizational Design as Product Strategy

Emmett Shear leverages Conway's Law as a primary tool for product development at Softmax, treating organizational restructuring as a direct method for achieving product goals.

Practical Application at Softmax:

• Deep Integration: Using Conway's Law extensively throughout the company structure
• Strategic Reorganization: Actively restructuring teams to align with desired product outcomes
• Clear Commitment Signal: Team mergers serve as the strongest possible commitment to product integration

Founder Mode Philosophy:

1. People-Led Systems Thinking - Focusing on how people systematically relate within organizations
2. Organizational Seriousness - Treating company structure, communication, and leadership with the same rigor as product development
3. Strategic Team Focus - Making deliberate decisions about team composition and separation based on work requirements

Implementation Strategy:

• Expectation Setting: Helping teams understand that reorganization reflects work needs, not performance judgments
• Normative Application: Using the law as both descriptive and prescriptive tool for organizational design
• Clear Communication: Reorganization sends unmistakable signals about product priorities to the entire company

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Treating Organizational Leadership as Seriously as Product Development

While many founders focus on making detailed product decisions, Emmett Shear advocates for treating organizational structure, communication, and people leadership with equal seriousness and strategic intent.

Key Leadership Investment Areas:

1. Communication Excellence - Spending significant time (3+ hours weekly) preparing high-quality presentations and company communications
2. Organizational Design - Making deliberate structural decisions about team composition and reporting relationships
3. People Systems - Focusing on how people systematically relate and interact within the organization

Strategic Amplification:

• Quality Communication: Well-prepared presentations and clear messaging create massive amplification of leadership impact
• Structural Clarity: Thoughtful organizational design eliminates confusion and aligns team efforts
• Smart Distribution: Building organizational intelligence so teams can make good decisions independently

Context-Dependent Application:

• Twitch Model: Needed "smart all over" approach since individual negotiations required distributed intelligence
• Product-Critical Situations: Some companies need direct founder involvement in specific product surfaces (like Airbnb's checkout experience)
• Tool Selection: Choosing between direct involvement and organizational empowerment based on business needs

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Essential Insights:

1. Conway's Law Fundamentals - Organizations inevitably create products that mirror their internal information flows and team structures
2. Strategic Reorganization - CEOs can reshape products by restructuring teams, using organizational design as a direct product development tool
3. Founder Mode Evolution - Beyond making detailed decisions, founders should treat organizational leadership and communication with the same rigor as product development

Actionable Insights:

• Use team restructuring as the clearest signal of product priorities and commitment to integration or separation
• Invest significant time in high-quality company communications and presentations for maximum leadership amplification
• Choose between direct involvement and organizational empowerment based on whether you need "smart all over" or focused excellence in specific areas
• Recognize that Conway's Law works regardless of awareness - organizational structure will drive product architecture

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People Mentioned:

• Conway - Organization theorist from the 1970s-80s who formulated Conway's Law about how organizational structure affects product design

Companies & Products:

• Softmax - Emmett Shear's current company where he's applying Conway's Law extensively in organizational design
• Twitch - Streaming platform where Shear previously served as CEO and tested Conway's Law principles
• Airbnb - Example cited for needing focused excellence in specific product surfaces like checkout experience

Concepts & Frameworks:

• Conway's Law - Principle stating that organizations design systems that mirror their own communication structure and information flows
• Founder Mode - Leadership approach emphasizing direct founder involvement in key decisions and organizational design
• Cybernetics - Systems theory approach that Softmax is incorporating into their organizational thinking

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