Coding, Agents, and the SDLC

Next-Generation Development Environment

Charlie Holtz introduces Conductor as a Mac app that enables running multiple cloud codes in parallel, representing a fundamental shift in how developers work with AI-powered coding tools.

The Evolution Story:

1. Initial Vision - Team recognized coding was moving beyond traditional IDEs when Cursor's tab feature launched
2. Early Challenges - Attempted to build GUI around Ader framework, but Sonnet 3.5 wasn't powerful enough for end-to-end workflows
3. Breakthrough Moment - Cloud code technology matured enough to power their vision of next-generation development environments

Key Capabilities:

• Parallel Processing: Run multiple cloud code instances simultaneously
• Beyond IDE Limitations: Operates at a higher abstraction level than traditional integrated development environments
• End-to-End Workflows: Enables complete development cycles within a single interface

Strategic Direction:

• North Star: Building whatever comes after the IDE
• Cautious Positioning: Avoiding premature labeling as "agentic development environments"
• Focus on Evolution: Targeting the next level of developer tooling abstraction

Timestamp: [0:55-2:42]

Sentry for AI Products

Ben Hylak explains how Raindrop emerged from the challenges of building coding agents, focusing on the critical need for monitoring and evaluation in AI development.

Core Problem Identification:

• Traditional vs AI Development: Building coding agents requires fundamentally different processes than traditional software
• Monitoring Gap: Existing tools inadequate for understanding agent behavior in real-world scenarios
• Evaluation Challenge: Difficulty determining if one AI system performs better than another in production

Solution Focus:

• Behavioral Monitoring: Track how agents actually perform in live environments
• Comparative Analysis: Enable teams to measure and compare different AI implementations
• Real-World Performance: Move beyond synthetic benchmarks to actual usage metrics

Development Timeline:

• Two-Year Journey: Started building coding agents nearly two years ago
• Pivot Point: Realized monitoring was the more fundamental problem to solve
• Current Mission: Provide comprehensive observability for AI products

Timestamp: [2:42-3:11]

Multiplayer Development Solutions

Oliver Gilan presents Mesa's focus on collaborative surfaces in software development, addressing the consensus-building challenges that create bottlenecks in large organizations.

Core Philosophy:

• Bottleneck Identification: Most development slowdowns occur during consensus-building activities, not individual coding
• Multiplayer Focus: Emphasis on collaborative aspects rather than solo development workflows
• Process Optimization: Target the human coordination challenges that limit development velocity

Key Problem Areas:

1. Pull Request Reviews - Traditional code review processes create significant delays
2. Planning Activities - Consensus-building around project direction and requirements
3. Root Cause Analysis - Collaborative debugging and problem-solving sessions
4. General Coordination - Various multiplayer activities that require human alignment

Strategic Vision:

• Speed Improvement: Dramatically increase development velocity through better collaboration
• Living Codebase: Ultimate goal of autonomous systems that operate with minimal human intervention
• Consensus Automation: Streamline the decision-making processes that currently slow teams down

Timestamp: [3:11-4:04]

Developer Tools for AI Applications

Harrison Chase outlines LangChain's focus on making intelligent agent development accessible through comprehensive developer tooling and frameworks.

Mission Statement:

• Core Goal: Make building intelligent agents as easy as possible
• Market Belief: LLMs will fundamentally transform application architecture toward more intelligent, agent-like systems
• Current Challenge: Building reliable agents remains technically difficult despite LLM advances

Strategic Approach:

• Developer-First: Primary focus on tools that help developers build better agents
• Reliability Focus: Address the gap between LLM capabilities and production-ready agent systems
• Ecosystem Building: Create comprehensive toolset for the entire agent development lifecycle

Market Perspective:

• Transformation Inevitability: Applications will become more intelligent and agent-like
• Technical Gap: Significant difficulty remains in building reliable, production-ready agents
• Tool Necessity: Specialized developer tools required to bridge capability and implementation

Timestamp: [4:04-4:28]

Attribution and Quality Challenges

The panel discusses critical but underexplored differences between AI and human-generated code, revealing significant implications for code review and maintenance processes.

Fundamental Differences:

• Failure Modes: AI and human code fail in completely different ways
• Scale of Errors: AI can generate entire unnecessary files, while human errors tend to be smaller and more localized
• Attribution Problem: No way to identify what was written by AI versus humans in standard tools like GitHub

Practical Review Challenges:

1. First Question: "Did you mean this? Is this real?" becomes standard opening for code reviews
2. Intentional Markers: Teams adding comments like "This was written on purpose by [human name]"
3. Protective Measures: Writing "do not change this line" or "this line is intentional" to prevent AI modifications

Specific Problem Areas:

• Out-of-Distribution Code: AI tools remove or modify code that appears unusual but serves important purposes
• Comment Management: AI often removes human-written comments, including critical context
• Refactoring Issues: AI changes human-written code during refactors, potentially losing important design decisions

Emerging Solutions:

• Granular Labeling: Function-level or line-level attribution rather than file-level
• Protective Annotations: Explicit markers to prevent AI modification of critical code sections
• Selective AI Usage: More restrictive AI use in core infrastructure versus permissive use in frontend development

Timestamp: [5:11-7:56]

Essential Insights:

1. Development Environment Evolution - Tools are moving beyond traditional IDEs toward higher-level abstractions that enable parallel cloud code execution and more sophisticated workflows
2. AI Monitoring Gap - Building AI products requires fundamentally different monitoring and evaluation approaches than traditional software, creating new market opportunities
3. Collaboration Over Coding - The biggest development bottlenecks occur during consensus-building activities like code reviews and planning, not individual coding tasks

Actionable Insights:

• Code Attribution Strategy: Implement granular labeling systems to distinguish AI-generated from human-written code for better review processes
• Selective AI Adoption: Use AI more freely for frontend development while maintaining strict oversight for core infrastructure changes
• Process Optimization Focus: Target collaborative bottlenecks rather than just individual developer productivity for maximum impact

Timestamp: [0:24-7:56]

Self-Improving Development Systems

AI coding agents are creating fascinating recursive loops where they contribute to their own development infrastructure. OpenSuite serves as a prime example - it's one of the biggest contributors to OpenSuite itself, built on top of LangGraph.

The Product-Infrastructure Blur:

• Dual Purpose Systems: AI agents simultaneously serve as products for customers and tools for their own development
• Testing Infrastructure: Companies build coding agents primarily to test whether their underlying infrastructure can support advanced agentic systems
• Organic Evolution: The line between product and infrastructure becomes increasingly blurred as agents improve their own foundations

Strategic Implications:

1. Future-Proofing: Building agents helps companies understand what infrastructure requirements will look like for next-generation AI systems
2. Competitive Advantage: Companies using their own AI tools for development gain insights into real-world performance and limitations
3. Rapid Iteration: Self-improving systems can accelerate development cycles beyond traditional human-only approaches

Timestamp: [8:44-9:48]

The Model Dependency Challenge

Building development tools around AI models presents unique challenges that traditional software engineering has never faced. Companies find themselves at the mercy of model providers who can fundamentally break their products with updates.

Critical Vulnerabilities:

• Sudden Breakage: When Anthropic released Claude 3.7, existing systems built on 3.5 completely failed overnight
• Undocumented Changes: Model providers RL (reinforce) models to use specific tools without warning developers
• Forced Rebuilds: Companies must completely restructure their internal products to match new model requirements

The Adaptation Dilemma:

1. No Migration Guides: Unlike traditional software updates, there's no clear documentation of what will break
2. Rapid Deprecation: Models can be deprecated within six months of release
3. Unpredictable Failures: Different capabilities can suddenly stop working with no clear explanation

Why Companies Still Build Despite Risks:

• First-Mover Advantage: Being early in the space provides significant competitive benefits
• Surfing the Wave: Success requires being quick to adapt and staying at the forefront of changes
• Market Opportunity: The potential rewards outweigh the technical risks for many companies

Timestamp: [10:36-13:09]

The Context Engineering Challenge

Getting AI models to write high-quality code for specific libraries and frameworks remains one of the biggest open questions in AI development. Companies struggle to make models like Claude proficient with their particular tech stacks.

Current Approaches Being Explored:

• Documentation Integration: Using README files and comprehensive documentation
• Example-Based Training: Providing multiple code examples and patterns
• Context Engineering: A specialized field focused on optimizing how models understand specific domains

The Market Opportunity:

1. Specialized Training: Huge demand for making models proficient in specific libraries (Library X, Library Y)
2. Domain Expertise: Companies want AI that understands their particular data and domain requirements
3. Beyond Chat Clones: Organizations seek AI that goes beyond generic ChatGPT functionality

Why This Matters:

• Competitive Differentiation: Companies using LangChain and LangGraph want domain-specific capabilities
• Quality Gap: Current solutions don't adequately address framework-specific coding needs
• Innovation Driver: Coding leads other verticals because model labs specifically train for programming tasks

Timestamp: [10:18-12:15]

The Convergence Question

As AI agents become increasingly capable, a critical question emerges: will agents themselves remain differentiated products, or will they become commoditized as foundation models absorb more capabilities?

The Convergence Reality:

• Similar Capabilities: Many agents are converging in functionality due to shared foundation models
• Weekend Development: Complex agents can now be built in weekends by delegating work to foundation models
• Market Displacement: New entrants can quickly challenge established players using the same underlying AI

Evidence from Code Review:

A company initially avoided building code review agents to focus on UI/UX, but when customers demanded it, they built one in a weekend that successfully competed with market leaders - not through engineering genius, but by leveraging foundation model capabilities.

Future Differentiation Paths:

1. UI/UX Innovation: User experience and interface design become critical differentiators
2. Agent Management: As organizations use multiple agents, managing and orchestrating them becomes valuable
3. Specialized Integration: Deep integration with specific workflows and tools
4. Human-AI Collaboration: Optimizing the handoff between AI capabilities and human oversight

The Uncertainty Factor:

The space remains highly unpredictable, with no clear consensus on where sustainable competitive advantages will emerge as AI capabilities continue to rapidly evolve.

Timestamp: [13:25-15:13]

The Review Cycle Evolution

The software development review process has undergone a fascinating evolution, cycling through different combinations of human and AI involvement, ultimately returning humans to a critical oversight role.

The Historical Progression:

1. Traditional Era: Humans wrote code → Humans reviewed code
2. Early AI Era: Humans + AI wrote code → Humans + AI reviewed code
3. Current Trend: AI writes code → Humans review code

Why AI Shouldn't Review Its Own Code:

• Bias Problem: AI that writes code may not be the best judge of its own output
• Volume vs. Quality: AI excels at generating large amounts of code but lacks nuanced judgment
• Critical Oversight: Human review provides essential quality control and strategic thinking

Strategic Implications:

• Human Value: Humans maintain critical importance as final arbiters of code quality
• Specialized Tools: Products like automated PR review tools are emerging to support this workflow
• Quality Assurance: The separation between code generation and code review ensures better overall software quality

This evolution suggests that while AI becomes increasingly capable at code generation, human judgment remains irreplaceable for ensuring code meets business requirements and quality standards.

Timestamp: [15:19-15:55]

Essential Insights:

1. Recursive Development: AI coding agents are creating self-improving loops where they contribute to their own development infrastructure, blurring the lines between product and infrastructure
2. Model Dependency Risk: Building AI dev tools involves unprecedented risks, with model updates potentially breaking entire systems overnight without warning or migration guides
3. Human-AI Role Evolution: The software review process has evolved from human-only to mixed human-AI, and now trending toward AI-generated code with human-only review for quality control

Actionable Insights:

• Companies should build AI agents primarily to test their infrastructure capabilities for future agentic systems
• First-mover advantage in AI tooling outweighs the technical risks of model dependency for many organizations
• Context engineering and framework-specific AI training represent significant market opportunities with no clear solutions yet
• UI/UX design and agent management systems will become key differentiators as AI capabilities commoditize
• Human oversight remains critical for code quality, even as AI becomes more capable at code generation

Timestamp: [8:02-15:55]

AI-Powered Code Review Evolution

Conductor is transforming from a traditional coding tool into a sophisticated review-focused platform, recognizing that human oversight becomes more critical as AI agents handle increasing amounts of code generation.

Vision for Conductor's Future:

1. Review-Centric Interface - Moving toward a "Superhuman for code" approach with an organized inbox system
2. Agent Management Hub - Providing oversight for multiple AI agents working across different codebase sections
3. Elevated Human Role - Shifting developers from low-level coding to high-level review and decision-making

The Agent Inbox Concept:

• Background Process Integration - Agents triggered by enterprise events without initial human involvement
• State Management System - Agents can be in various states: stuck, questioning, ready to commit
• Communication Interface - Combines email inbox functionality with customer support board aesthetics
• Human-in-the-Loop Design - Maintains human oversight while allowing autonomous agent operation

Current Implementation Benefits:

• Enhanced Code Review - AI catches cross-file issues and unused code that traditional tools miss
• Workflow Integration - Seamless integration with GitHub PR review extensions
• Iterative Feedback - Real-time comment monitoring and response during development cycles

Timestamp: [16:02-18:32]

The Critical Balance in AI Development Tools

According to Claude Code creator Baris, the effectiveness of AI coding tools depends on a 70% model quality and 30% harness/framework split, revealing the ongoing challenge of balancing raw AI capability with tooling infrastructure.

The Three Possible States:

1. Model-Dominant World - Where superior models automatically deliver better results regardless of framework
2. Harness-Dominant World - Where exceptional frameworks can overcome model limitations
3. Mixed Reality - The current state requiring both strong models and sophisticated harnesses

Practical Implications:

• Constant Adaptation Required - Framework developers must continuously update prompts and integration points
• Model Dependency Risk - 70% reliance on model quality means significant rework with each model update
• Framework Value - The 30% harness contribution still provides substantial differentiation opportunity

Real-World Testing Example:

• GPT-5 Integration Experiment - Dropping GPT-5 into Claude Code produced poor results despite launch day hype
• Model-Framework Mismatch - Demonstrates that raw model capability doesn't automatically translate to tool effectiveness
• Terms of Service Considerations - Cross-platform integration raises compliance questions

Development Strategy Impact:

• Continuous Investment - Both model improvements and harness refinement require ongoing resources
• Risk Management - Heavy model dependency creates vulnerability to external changes
• Competitive Positioning - Success requires excellence in both model selection and framework design

Timestamp: [19:48-22:10]

The Hidden Training Behind AI Tool Integration

AI models undergo specialized reinforcement learning (RL) training for specific tool calls, creating subtle but critical dependencies that significantly impact how developers can build on top of these models.

Tool Call Training Specifics:

• Named Function Training - Models are RL-trained for specific tool names and signatures
• Cross-Platform Variations - Anthropic and OpenAI models trained on different tool call naming conventions
• Canonical Function Recognition - Standard functions like "saving memories" and "searching the web" have established patterns

Development Constraints:

• Name Sensitivity - Using similar tool names for different functions causes poor performance
• Function Overlap Issues - Tools with same functionality but different names perform poorly
• Training Lock-in - Models strongly prefer the exact tool signatures they were trained on

Practical Development Impact:

• Framework Limitations - Developers must align with model-specific tool expectations
• Performance Degradation - Deviating from trained patterns results in noticeably worse results
• Integration Challenges - Building custom tools requires careful consideration of existing training patterns

Observable Effects:

• Performance Variance - Easily noticeable differences when tool signatures don't match training
• Naming Convention Importance - Tool naming becomes a critical architectural decision
• Model-Specific Optimization - Different models require different tool integration approaches

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Essential Insights:

1. Code Review Evolution - AI coding tools are shifting toward review-centric interfaces where humans manage AI agents rather than write code directly
2. Model-Framework Balance - Success in AI development tools requires a 70% model quality and 30% framework sophistication split, creating ongoing adaptation challenges
3. Training Dependencies - AI models have hidden constraints from tool-specific training that significantly impact how developers can build integrations

Actionable Insights:

• Consider developing "agent inbox" systems for managing multiple AI workflows with human oversight points
• Plan for continuous framework updates as new models are released, budgeting 30% of development effort for harness improvements
• Align custom tool naming and signatures with established model training patterns to avoid performance degradation
• Design review workflows that elevate human decision-making while leveraging AI for execution tasks

Timestamp: [16:02-23:54]

Model Compatibility Challenges

The assumption that AI models are easily interchangeable is proving problematic in practice. When switching from one model to another (like GPT-4 to GPT-5), developers frequently encounter issues with:

Common Portability Problems:

• Wrong argument calls - Models expect different parameter structures
• Prompt incompatibility - What works for one model fails on another
• Tool naming differences - Each model may use different function names
• Context engineering variations - Different approaches to managing context

Why Models Aren't Truly Portable:

1. Different weights and training - Each model has unique internal representations
2. Varying prompt requirements - Some need ALL CAPS for emphasis, others don't
3. Context engineering methods - Each model processes context differently
4. Tool integration patterns - Different expectations for how tools are called

The reality is that prompts and context engineering methods don't always transfer between models, requiring significant adaptation work when switching platforms.

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Essential Skills and Mindset

Great context engineers share a fundamental trait: deep understanding of the problem they're trying to solve. The best practitioners approach AI agents like managing a smart intern rather than expecting mind-reading capabilities.

Key Characteristics of Effective Context Engineers:

1. Problem comprehension - Truly understand what needs to be accomplished
2. Agent perspective - Put themselves in the AI's position to anticipate needs
3. Clear communication - Recognize that models need explicit instructions
4. Tool selection - Know when to use prompts vs. tools vs. workflow components

Critical Insight:

Models are not mind readers - they require the same level of detailed instruction you'd give to a capable human assistant. This means:

• Explaining the context and background
• Defining success criteria clearly
• Providing relevant tools and resources
• Breaking down complex tasks into manageable steps

Workflow Design Considerations:

• Deterministic vs. non-deterministic parts - Knowing when to use each approach
• Case-specific adaptation - Tailoring methods to the specific use case
• Tool integration - Seamlessly combining AI capabilities with existing systems

The foundation remains consistent: actually understanding how the job needs to be done before attempting to teach an AI agent to do it.

Timestamp: [25:11-26:15]

The Human-Centric Approach Dilemma

A fundamental question emerges in AI development: Are we making a mistake by treating AI agents like humans? This concern stems from the recognition that AI systems have fundamentally different strengths and weaknesses compared to human intelligence.

The Concern with Human-Centric Training:

• Different cognitive architecture - AI systems process information differently than humans
• Unique strengths and weaknesses - What works for humans may not optimize AI performance
• Potential local minima - Human-like approaches might prevent discovering better AI-native methods

Evidence Against Human-Centric Approaches:

DSPY (DSPy) Framework Example:

• System learns optimal prompts through examples rather than human-crafted instructions
• Generated prompts often look like "gibberish" to humans
• Despite appearing nonsensical, these AI-generated prompts perform better than human-crafted ones
• Suggests that optimal AI communication may be fundamentally different from human communication

Real-World Application Challenge:

When building AI tools (like a LinkedIn sourcer bot), the natural instinct is to:

• Teach the AI as you would teach a human colleague
• Replicate human decision-making processes
• Use human-understandable reasoning patterns

The Open Question:

Is this human-centric approach a "shallow way of thinking" that limits AI potential? The evidence suggests we may need to develop entirely new paradigms for AI instruction that embrace rather than constrain their non-human nature.

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The Persistent Complexity Problem

Despite expectations that newer AI models would eliminate the need for elaborate prompting techniques, complex context engineering remains essential. This contradicts the assumed progression toward simple, natural language instructions.

The Evolution Paradox:

Past Era (2-3 years ago):

• Obsessive prompt crafting for models like Claude
• Elaborate techniques like "if you don't do this my grandma will die"
• Complex Midjourney prompts shared across communities
• Highly specific formatting requirements

Expected Present:

• Simple, plain sentence instructions
• Natural language communication
• Reduced need for special prompting techniques

Actual Reality:

• Code harnesses still matter significantly
• GPT-5 code harness performance remains problematic
• Complex context engineering still required
• Specialized prompting techniques remain necessary

Why Complexity Persists:

1. Instruction Following vs. Judgment

• Models like GPT-4 are "insanely instructible" - they follow directions precisely
• Literal interpretation problems - typos get reproduced exactly as written
• Need for interpretive judgment - knowing when to correct obvious errors
• Balance between following instructions and applying common sense

2. Communication Isn't Simple

Drawing from Paul Graham's perspective on AGI definition (ability to execute tasks from simple sentences):

• Telling humans what you want is already difficult
• New employees need extensive context and guidance
• Shared history and background provide crucial context that single sentences lack
• Complex tasks inherently require detailed explanation

The Fundamental Challenge:

Even with advanced models, the gap between "what we say" and "what we actually want" requires sophisticated context engineering to bridge effectively.

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The Shift Toward Self-Managing AI Systems

A significant trend is emerging where AI models are becoming responsible for their own context engineering, moving beyond simple prompt-based interactions to more sophisticated self-management capabilities.

Traditional vs. Modern Context Management:

Old Approach:

• Shoving everything into the context window
• Human-crafted prompts and instructions
• Static context that doesn't evolve

New Approach - AI Self-Context Engineering:

• File system integration - AI can read and write to organized storage
• Tool-based context management - Models use tools to manage their own information
• Dynamic context evolution - Context adapts and grows based on needs

Key Benefits of Self-Managing Context:

1. Increased flexibility - AI can adapt context to specific situations
2. Scalable information handling - Not limited by context window constraints
3. Improved performance - Models optimize their own information organization
4. Reduced human overhead - Less manual context engineering required

Implementation Patterns:

• File system access - Giving models tools to organize and retrieve information
• Read/write capabilities - Allowing dynamic information management
• Context optimization - Models learn to structure information effectively

Future Trajectory:

This trend will accelerate as models improve, leading to AI systems that can:

• Automatically organize relevant information
• Develop their own context management strategies
• Adapt context engineering approaches to specific tasks
• Reduce dependency on human-designed context structures

The evolution represents a fundamental shift from human-managed context to AI-managed context, potentially unlocking new levels of capability and efficiency.

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When Model Context Transforms Into Institutional Knowledge

An interesting phenomenon occurs when AI model context evolves into organizational context, fundamentally changing how institutions capture and utilize knowledge.

Real-World Example: Fellowship Application Process

Traditional Approach:

• Notes written "for nobody in particular"
• Poor documentation quality due to lack of clear audience
• Missing context and reasoning
• Knowledge trapped in individual minds

AI-Integrated Approach:

• Recognition that AI becomes a key audience for organizational notes
• Higher quality documentation because AI will actively use the information
• Detailed reasoning and context preservation
• Institutional knowledge becomes accessible and actionable

The Transformation Process:

Stage 1: Recognition

• Understanding that AI systems will be "paying attention" to organizational decisions
• Realizing the AI audience has different needs than human audiences

Stage 2: Adaptation

• Enhanced note-taking practices with AI consumption in mind
• Including context that humans might assume but AI needs explicitly
• Documenting reasoning processes more thoroughly

Stage 3: Integration

• AI becomes a "deeply high context memory" for the organization
• Institutional knowledge becomes queryable and actionable
• Organizational learning accelerates through AI-mediated knowledge access

Unique AI Memory Characteristics:

• Perfect recall - doesn't forget information like humans do
• High context retention - can maintain vast amounts of detailed information
• Different error patterns - makes different types of mistakes than humans
• Consistent availability - organizational memory becomes always accessible

Practical Implications:

Organizations must now consider AI as a primary audience when creating internal documentation, fundamentally changing how institutional knowledge is captured, structured, and preserved.

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Essential Insights:

1. Model Portability Myth - AI models are not easily interchangeable; each requires specific prompting, context engineering, and tool integration approaches
2. Context Engineering Mastery - The best practitioners deeply understand problems before teaching AI, treating models like smart interns who need explicit instruction rather than mind-readers
3. Human vs. AI-Native Approaches - Evidence suggests optimal AI instruction may differ fundamentally from human communication, as seen in DSPY's gibberish-like but high-performing prompts

Actionable Insights:

• Expect adaptation work when switching between AI models - prompts and workflows rarely transfer seamlessly
• Invest in problem understanding before building AI solutions - the foundation of effective context engineering is knowing what needs to be accomplished
• Consider AI as organizational audience - document decisions and reasoning with AI consumption in mind to build institutional memory
• Embrace AI self-management - Provide models with tools to manage their own context rather than cramming everything into prompts
• Question human-centric assumptions - Be open to AI-native approaches that may seem counterintuitive but perform better

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Memory Architecture Challenges

The relationship between organizational memory and AI agent memory presents fundamental architectural decisions for development teams. Current approaches treat most agent infrastructure as a substitute for long-term memory, focusing on context delivery rather than persistent learning.

Key Technical Considerations:

1. Context Substitution - Most harness work currently replaces what should be long-term memory capabilities
2. Model Provider Dependencies - Teams must build for current limitations while preparing for potential memory breakthroughs
3. Human-Centric Integration - Organizational knowledge needs seamless integration with agent workflows

Strategic Implications:

• Build vs. Wait Dilemma: Teams face uncertainty about investing in memory infrastructure when model providers might release native solutions
• One-Sentence Prompts: Effective memory could enable minimal prompting by retaining organizational context
• Ground Shift Preparation: Infrastructure must accommodate rapid capability changes in underlying models

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The Judgment Problem in AI Memory

Memory systems demand nuanced decision-making about what to remember, when to remember it, and crucially, when to forget or update stored information. Current AI models struggle significantly with these judgment calls.

Memory Judgment Challenges:

1. Storage Decisions - Determining which interactions warrant permanent storage
2. Revocation Logic - Recognizing when preferences have changed and old memories should be discarded
3. Context Sensitivity - Understanding when a single interaction represents a lasting preference versus a one-time request

Real-World Examples:

• ChatGPT/Cursor Behavior: Systems often misinterpret single requests as permanent preferences
• Restaurant Preferences: Asking for "something more expensive" once shouldn't permanently change all future recommendations
• Behavioral Patterns: Systems need to recognize when 20 different requests indicate a genuine preference shift

Current Limitations:

• Models lack sophistication for proper memory judgment
• Even recent models perform poorly on memory-related benchmarks
• Most implementations rely heavily on human-crafted prompts for memory decisions

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Beyond Raw Memory Storage

Effective AI memory requires sophisticated reflection capabilities that go far beyond storing raw interaction data. The challenge lies in processing and contextualizing stored information rather than the storage mechanism itself.

Reflection Architecture:

1. Processing Layer - Memory isn't just raw data but requires intelligent interpretation
2. Prompt Engineering Focus - Most development time goes into crafting prompts for memory decisions
3. Simple Storage Reality - Actual storage often reduces to strings in system prompts or basic lists

Implementation Challenges:

• Behavioral Memory: User requests like "be more strict with me" or "critique me more" require nuanced system prompt integration
• Retrieval Problems: Important behavioral preferences might never surface in retrieval-based systems
• System Prompt Complexity: Adding behavioral changes to system prompts requires careful crafting to achieve the right balance

Technical Reality:

• Memory storage mechanisms remain relatively simple
• The complexity lies in the reflection and application layers
• Current approaches struggle with behavioral versus factual memory types

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The Delegation Decision Problem

Determining when to involve humans in AI workflows represents one of the most challenging aspects of system design. The decision itself requires the kind of judgment that current AI systems struggle to provide.

Core Principles for Human-in-the-Loop:

1. High-Stakes System Prompts - Every delegation request essentially writes a new system prompt with significant consequences
2. Non-Obvious Judgment - Human involvement should be reserved for decisions that aren't algorithmically obvious
3. Priority Assessment - Delegation requests should focus on elements requiring genuine human judgment

Implementation Challenges:

• False Positive/Negative Balance: Systems struggle with appropriate escalation thresholds
• Product Design Impact: When to delegate affects both UX and internal system behavior
• Timing Decisions: Knowing when agents should "surface for air" in complex workflows

Current Limitations:

• Binary Behavior: AI systems tend toward always asking or never asking for help
• Human Parallel: Even humans struggle with knowing when to seek assistance
• Model Inadequacy: LLMs perform poorly at judgment calls about human necessity

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Memory Through Interaction

Human feedback loops serve as a primary mechanism for AI memory development, creating learning opportunities through external world interactions rather than isolated data processing.

Memory-Feedback Connection:

1. Learning Through Interactions - Memory develops through engagement with external systems and human feedback
2. Feedback Integration - Human corrections and preferences become the foundation for memory systems
3. Iterative Improvement - Each human interaction provides data for memory refinement

Current State Assessment:

• Limited Implementation: Most current products lack true memory capabilities
• Simplicity First: Teams prioritize getting basic functionality working before adding memory
• Valid Approach: Human-in-the-loop provides value beyond memory development

Memory Types in Development:

• Interaction-Based Learning: Memory developed through user feedback and corrections
• Organizational Context: Pre-existing knowledge that needs integration into agent workflows
• Process Memory: Non-aggentic organizational processes that require agent understanding

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Contextual Memory Architecture

The distinction between organizational knowledge and agent-developed memory creates important architectural decisions for AI systems, with different integration approaches for each type.

Organizational Context Integration:

1. Pre-Existing Knowledge - Information that existed before agent implementation
2. RAG Access - Providing agents with retrieval access to organizational databases
3. System Prompt Distillation - Extracting and condensing organizational knowledge for agent use

Agent Context Development:

• Learning Through Use - Memory developed through agent interactions and feedback
• Behavioral Adaptation - Agent-specific learning about user preferences and workflows
• Process Optimization - Agent-developed understanding of effective task completion

Implementation Approaches:

• Retrieval Systems: Giving agents access to organizational knowledge through RAG
• Extraction Methods: Distilling organizational context into system prompts
• Hybrid Models: Combining organizational knowledge with agent-specific learning

Open Questions:

• Limited real-world examples make it difficult to determine optimal approaches
• Unclear whether organizational and agent contexts should converge or remain separate
• Need for more practical implementations to establish best practices

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The Human-AI Developer Dichotomy

The tension between optimizing for current AI capabilities and maintaining human interpretability creates strategic decisions about long-term system architecture and developer workflows.

Future Development Scenarios:

1. AI-Native Development - AI engineers capable of reading thousands of languages and complex chain-of-thought processes
2. Human-Centric Approach - Maintaining human-readable systems for ongoing interpretation and contribution
3. Hybrid Evolution - Balancing AI capabilities with human oversight needs

Human-Readable Benefits:

• Auditability: Enables human review and validation of AI decision-making
• Collaboration: Allows human developers to understand and contribute to AI systems
• Flexibility: Maintains adaptability for different development team compositions

Strategic Considerations:

• Future-Facing vs. Current Needs: Optimizing for potential AI capabilities versus current human requirements
• Brittleness Risk: Human-readable systems might become limiting factors in AI-native environments
• Sustainability: Long-term viability of human involvement in AI development workflows

The Core Tension:

Systems designed for AI-native development may exclude human contributors, while human-readable approaches might limit AI optimization potential.

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Essential Insights:

1. Memory as Infrastructure Substitute - Current AI agent systems primarily use infrastructure to substitute for missing long-term memory capabilities, creating uncertainty about future architectural decisions
2. Judgment-Dependent Memory - Effective AI memory requires sophisticated judgment about what to remember, when to update, and when to forget - capabilities that current models lack
3. Human-Loop Memory Connection - Human feedback serves as a primary mechanism for AI memory development, making human-in-the-loop workflows essential for learning systems

Actionable Insights:

• Build for Now, Prepare for Change - Develop current memory solutions while maintaining flexibility for potential model provider breakthroughs
• Focus on Reflection Over Storage - Invest development time in memory processing and decision-making rather than storage mechanisms
• Prioritize Human-Readable Systems - Maintain human interpretability in AI systems to ensure long-term collaboration and auditability

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Organizational Memory and AI Transparency

Raindrop addresses a critical challenge: organizations often don't know what their users are actually doing with AI agents. The platform brings visibility to previously opaque interactions between users and AI systems.

The Core Problem:

1. Hidden Interactions - Customer organizations lack visibility into how their AI agents are being used
2. Undefined Requirements - It's extremely difficult to describe what you want an AI product to do
3. Complex Edge Cases - Simple requests reveal layers of nuanced classification needs

Discovery Through Manual Annotation:

The founders discovered this challenge when manually annotating prompts for violence detection:

• Split 1,000 prompts 50/50 between co-founders
• Trained a classifier that performed terribly
• Root cause: Wildly different classification rules (car crash = violent vs. not violent)

Key Insight:

LLMs are excellent at formulating questions but terrible at deciding when to ask them. This led to Raindrop's approach of programmatically forcing question-asking rather than leaving it to model discretion.

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Semantic Signal Classification and Continuous Learning

Raindrop has developed a sophisticated system for capturing and incorporating user feedback to improve AI performance through iterative refinement.

The Feedback Process:

1. Signal Definition - Users define "good" and "bad" semantic signals in their products
2. Change Tracking - System monitors when users make modifications to classifications
3. Reasoning Capture - Platform asks users to explain why they made specific changes
4. Pattern Recognition - System identifies patterns and suggests extrapolations

Technical Implementation:

• Retroactive Labeling: When feedback is provided, the system goes back through all historical data
• Model Retraining: Updates and retrains based on new classification rules
• Question Compilation: Maintains a comprehensive list of all answered questions for each signal
• Conversational Integration: Uses compiled knowledge for more natural product interactions

The Non-Painful Extraction Method:

Raindrop focuses on making it easy for users to refine their definitions without creating friction. The platform can often predict user intent: "You're saying these kinds of things are not violent, for example" and users confirm with "Oh yeah, that's what I mean."

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The Claude MD Challenge and Alternative Approaches

Current methods for giving AI models memory and rules feel inadequate, leading to creative but imperfect solutions across different platforms.

Claude MD Limitations:

• Inconsistent Following: Claude reads markdown files "sometimes" but doesn't always follow instructions
• Specific Quirks: Claude loves using useRef React hooks excessively (when it shouldn't)
• Fallback Obsession: Requires explicit permission and justification for fallbacks
• Manual Control Issues: Uncertainty about letting Claude update its own memory files

Current Workarounds:

1. Detailed Instructions - Extensive markdown documentation of preferences and rules
2. Permission-Based Systems - Requiring explicit approval for certain coding patterns
3. Memory Features - Using Claude's built-in memory feature as another markdown file
4. Manual Arbitration - Developers maintaining control over memory updates

Trust and Control Concerns:

Developers express reluctance to let AI models update their own memory systems, preferring to maintain human oversight of the core instruction sets that guide model behavior.

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Mesa's Approach to Contextual Memory and Rule Application

Mesa has developed a sophisticated system that treats rules and memory as inherently contextual, moving beyond simple markdown files to dynamic, situation-aware rule management.

Core Philosophy:

Rules and memory are fundamentally attached to context - like seeing a flower and remembering to buy flowers for your girlfriend. This contextual trigger approach drives Mesa's entire system design.

Technical Architecture:

1. Database Storage - Rules stored as arrays in databases rather than static files
2. User-Generated Rules - Built by users with LLM suggestions for new rules
3. Contextual Triggers - Rules activate based on specific conditions:

• Editing particular files
• Working in specific codebase sections
• PRs written by specific authors

Flexible Integration Options:

• System Prompt Injection - Rules injected directly for maximum visibility
• Tool-Based Access - LLM decides when to access rules via tools
• Granular Control - Users determine when and how rules get pulled into context

Intelligent Rule Application:

The LLM receives brief rule descriptions and can judge relevance: "Based on what I'm looking at, that rule kind of looks like maybe it applies here. Let me go read the larger rule itself."

This approach provides more granular control than "giant Claude MD style" solutions while maintaining contextual relevance.

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Essential Insights:

1. Organizational Blindness - Most organizations don't understand how their AI agents are actually being used, creating a critical visibility gap
2. Classification Complexity - Simple AI requirements reveal layers of nuanced edge cases that require iterative refinement and human judgment
3. Context-Driven Memory - The most effective AI memory systems are contextual rather than static, triggering rules based on specific situations

Actionable Insights:

• Implement feedback loops that capture not just what users change, but why they made those changes
• Design AI systems that programmatically ask clarifying questions rather than leaving it to model discretion
• Move beyond static markdown files to dynamic, context-aware rule management systems
• Maintain human oversight of AI memory systems while allowing models to suggest improvements
• Focus on making rule refinement non-painful and iterative for users

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The Great Coding Workflow Divide

The coding community is experiencing a fundamental shift in how developers interact with AI tools, creating two distinct camps with opposing philosophies.

The Synchronous Camp:

• Real-time collaboration - Developers work alongside AI in their IDE with immediate feedback
• Constant intervention - Engineers can step in at any moment to guide or correct the AI
• Memory less critical - Since the developer is always present, the AI doesn't need perfect recall of past habits
• Tools like Cursor - Direct integration into the coding environment for instant assistance

The Asynchronous Camp:

• Fire-and-forget workflows - Developers assign tasks and let AI work independently
• Memory becomes crucial - AI must remember developer preferences, coding patterns, and project context
• Curated context - Information needs to be carefully preserved and presented to the model
• Tools like Devon - Autonomous agents that can complete entire features without supervision

The Shifting Meta:

1. Initial prediction - Industry expected fully synchronous future with "jetpacks while coding"
2. Recent reversal - Some developers are abandoning AI tools entirely, going "back to the roots"
3. Current reality - Mixed approaches based on task complexity and personal preference

Developer Reactions:

• Pure coding advocates: "Turn off the Wi-Fi" mentality, using offline modes exclusively
• Hybrid users: Switching between synchronous and asynchronous based on the situation
• Tool-dependent: Different approaches for different types of work (frontend vs backend)

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Real-World AI Integration Strategy

Charlie reveals a nuanced approach to AI coding tools that contradicts the industry narrative about fully autonomous development.

The Meta Shift Reality:

• VC expectations then: "How are you competing with Devon?" - assumption of full end-to-end automation
• Current reality: Developers want to stay "in the loop" with AI assistance
• Market evolution: From fully async predictions to human-AI collaboration models

Conductor's Hybrid Approach:

1. Turn-by-turn chat UI - Always available for direct interaction with Claude
2. Founder mode overview - High-level management of multiple agents
3. Inbox-style workflow - Asynchronous task management system
4. Under-the-hood access - Ability to dive deep when needed

Personal Usage Patterns:

• Autocomplete preference - Reverting to simple code completion for complex work
• Chat for questions - Using AI for code review and technical queries
• Task complexity correlation - Harder work = less AI assistance effectiveness
• Frontend delegation - AI handles UI rendering and styling tasks

Strategic Devon Usage:

• Customer ticket triage - Non-critical requests that won't stop company progress
• Low-risk tasks - Simple features like adding copy buttons
• Minimal tech debt - Tasks that won't create design or architectural problems
• Asynchronous PR review - Checking completed work later via GitHub integration

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The Inverted AI Relationship Model

A counterintuitive trend is emerging where developers use AI tools as expert advisors rather than code-writing assistants.

The Question-Heavy Approach:

• Constant inquiry pattern - Chat history filled with questions rather than code requests
• Understanding-first methodology - Learning system architecture before implementation
• Self-implementation preference - Writing code personally after gaining AI insights
• Debugging partnership - AI excels at troubleshooting complex issues

Why This Works Better:

1. GPT-4's strength - One-shot solutions to problems that stump developers for hours
2. Knowledge transfer - Developer gains deep understanding rather than blind code copying
3. Quality control - Human oversight ensures architectural consistency
4. Skill development - Maintains and improves coding abilities

The Micro vs Macro Problem:

• Current tool focus - Agents designed for line-by-line code writing
• Missing capability - Tools for moving larger building blocks
• Refactoring limitations - AI rewrites functions instead of moving them as operations
• Need for higher-level operations - Module refactoring, architectural changes

Real-World Example:

Moving functions between files becomes problematic because:

• AI deletes and rewrites instead of moving
• Line-by-line recreation introduces potential errors
• Developer must verify entire function for accuracy
• Simple operation becomes complex verification task

The Tooling Gap:

• Missing abstractions - No tools for "move function" or "refactor module" operations
• Operational thinking - Need for AI to work with code as structured components
• Higher-level commands - Architecture-aware operations rather than text manipulation

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The Cross-Vertical Disruption Theory

AI coding capabilities are challenging traditional assumptions about how enterprise software markets will evolve and who will dominate them.

Traditional Vertical Prediction:

• Specialized dominance - Each industry gets its own AI king (legal, healthcare, finance)
• Domain expertise advantage - Vertical-specific companies win through specialization
• Market segmentation - Clear boundaries between different industry solutions

The Salesforce Reality Check:

Historical evidence suggests a different pattern:

• Multi-vertical success - Salesforce operates across fintech, legal tech, and healthcare
• Software as productivity driver - Code has been the core driver across all verticals
• Cross-pollination benefits - General tools often outperform specialized ones

The Cognition Case Study:

• Devon at City Bank - AI agents writing financial software code
• Productivity multiplication - Could become the most productive fintech company through automation
• Indirect market entry - Competing in finance through superior software development

Implications for Market Structure:

1. Blurred boundaries - AI coding tools may eliminate vertical distinctions
2. Productivity-based competition - Winners determined by development speed, not domain knowledge
3. Platform consolidation - General AI coding platforms may dominate multiple verticals
4. New competitive dynamics - Software development capability becomes the differentiator

Strategic Questions:

• Will coding AI create new monopolies across industries?
• Can vertical specialists compete with general-purpose AI development tools?
• How will traditional enterprise software companies adapt to AI-first competitors?

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Essential Insights:

1. Workflow dichotomy - The coding community is split between synchronous (real-time AI collaboration) and asynchronous (autonomous AI agents) approaches, with the industry shifting toward hybrid models
2. Inverted AI relationship - Developers are increasingly using AI as senior consultants for questions and debugging rather than junior engineers for code writing
3. Cross-vertical disruption potential - AI coding agents may reshape enterprise software by enabling general platforms to dominate multiple verticals through superior development productivity

Actionable Insights:

• Task-based tool selection - Use synchronous AI for complex work requiring oversight, asynchronous AI for low-risk, well-defined tasks
• Question-driven development - Leverage AI's strength in explanation and debugging rather than relying solely on code generation
• Higher-level tooling opportunity - There's a significant gap in AI tools that can perform architectural operations rather than line-by-line code writing
• Strategic positioning consideration - Companies building AI coding tools should consider cross-vertical applications rather than limiting themselves to single industries

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The Evolution of Software Engineering Roles

The landscape of programming is shifting dramatically as AI becomes deeply integrated into the software development lifecycle. Several new types of roles are emerging:

AI Quality Engineers:

• Non-technical subject matter experts who specialize in reviewing AI system outputs
• Focus on observability and debugging of AI-powered applications
• Often come from domain expertise rather than traditional coding backgrounds
• Similar to code reviewers but for AI agent outputs and traces

AI Conductors and Monitors:

• Professionals who oversee AI systems working autonomously
• Like "watching pets in the wild" - observing how AI agents interact and perform
• Responsible for monitoring, reviewing, and guiding AI-powered workflows
• Bridge the gap between human oversight and AI execution

Enhanced Software Engineers:

• Traditional developers who adapt to work alongside AI tools
• Focus shifts from low-level coding to high-level system design and architecture
• Emphasis on understanding why systems work rather than how to implement every detail
• Need to constantly retest and understand evolving AI capabilities

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The Economics of AI Applications

The token-to-value ratio makes coding one of the few economically viable applications for expensive AI models:

Economic Justification:

• High-value output per token - Each generated line of code can create significant business value
• Can justify the massive costs of training future models (potentially $300 billion+)
• Contrast with lower-value applications like recipe generation that couldn't support such costs

Market Dynamics:

1. Developer-driven adoption - Silicon Valley engineers are early adopters pushing boundaries
2. Immediate ROI visibility - Code generation shows clear productivity gains
3. Scalable impact - One piece of generated code can be used repeatedly

Risk vs. Reward Profile:

• Lower regulatory barriers compared to healthcare or legal applications
• Acceptable error rates - Code can be reviewed and tested before deployment
• Iterative improvement - Mistakes in code are fixable, unlike medical errors

The combination of high economic value, manageable risk, and strong early adoption makes coding the most compelling use case for expensive AI models.

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Hiring Strategies for the AI Era

AI-native founders have developed specific approaches to identify candidates who will thrive in an AI-augmented world:

Primary Screening Criteria:

Excitement and Curiosity:

• "Are you anxious about not burning tokens 24/7?" - Looking for people genuinely excited about AI possibilities
• Candidates who actively experiment with AI tools and push boundaries
• Those who see AI as "alien intelligence" to be explored, not feared

Practical Experience:

• GitHub stars as signal - Projects that people actually use indicate real problem-solving
• Ability to explain "What thing have you made that you're most proud of?"
• Focus on understanding rather than just implementation

Red Flags to Avoid:

Zombie Projects:

• GitHub profiles with 100+ projects but zero stars or usage
• AI-generated repositories without genuine thought or purpose
• Projects that show no evidence of actual problem-solving

Outdated Assumptions:

• Developers who remember AI limitations from 6+ months ago and haven't retested
• Resistance to constantly reevaluating what models can accomplish
• Lack of optimism about evolving AI capabilities

Interview Approach:

• Get to phone calls quickly - Resumes and portfolios are increasingly unreliable
• Bring candidates on-site fast - Culture fit and genuine excitement are crucial
• Deep technical understanding - Can they explain why their code does what it does?

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The Paradox of AI and Core CS Skills

Despite AI handling more low-level coding tasks, fundamental computer science knowledge is becoming more critical, not less:

System-Level Thinking:

• High-level architecture remains essential - understanding why components go in specific places
• System organization - How different parts interact and scale together
• Product delivery focus - Companies hire engineers to deliver products, not just write code

What's Changing vs. What Remains:

• Less important: Mucking around with low-level code details and coding pattern debates
• More important: Understanding the system at a conceptual level
• Still critical: Ability to explain deeply why code does what it does

Scaling Experience Premium:

• Infrastructure-level decisions are harder to change later
• Scaling expertise becomes a rare and valuable skill
• Getting it right the first time is more cost-effective than retrofitting

The Understanding Gap:

• AI makes it easy to generate code you don't understand
• True mastery requires being able to teach and explain concepts to others
• Quality repositories with good documentation indicate genuine understanding

The irony is that as AI handles more routine coding tasks, the ability to think at higher levels of abstraction and truly understand systems becomes the key differentiator for software engineers.

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Essential Insights:

1. New job categories emerging - AI quality engineers, conductors, and enhanced software engineers are replacing traditional roles
2. Economics drive AI adoption - Coding's high token-to-value ratio makes it the most viable use case for expensive AI models
3. Hiring strategies evolving - Companies prioritize excitement about AI, practical experience, and deep understanding over traditional credentials

Actionable Insights:

• For job seekers: Demonstrate genuine excitement about AI, build projects people actually use, and focus on understanding systems at a high level
• For companies: Screen for AI enthusiasm early, get to phone calls quickly, and prioritize candidates who can explain their work deeply
• For developers: Continuously retest AI capabilities, embrace the shift from low-level coding to system architecture, and maintain optimism about model improvements

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