The State of AI & Education

The fundamental questions reshaping education today center around whether software will replace teachers, how AI improves learning outcomes, and what parents truly want for their children's education. The conversation explores whether AI-directed education will become the norm and examines the productivity gains teachers are experiencing.

"Will software in some way replace teachers? Parents want better outcomes - what is actually improving retention of information, learning, memory? They're allowing a teacher to be a lot more productive and be 10 times better at their job."

The discussion also touches on emerging parent preferences and the critical need for innovation in traditional educational publishing.

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Justine and Olivia introduce This Week in Consumer AI, focusing on the trending topic of AI in education that's been exploding across social media feeds. They bring in Zach Cohen, a16z's subject matter expert on education, to provide deep insights into this rapidly evolving space.

Zach's extensive background spans operating and investing in education for over two and a half years at a16z, focusing on next-generation education with AI integration. His previous experience includes work at General Atlantic's consumer internet group covering education investments in major companies like Quizlet, Duolingo, and Chess.com.

"I think it's fun to feel invited to a podcast from colleagues - it's an interesting feeling for sure."

His hands-on experience includes building and selling an education technology company focused on high school computer science education in the northeast, followed by work in education-focused rollups covering adult education and corporate training.

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The data reveals a shocking trend that surprised even industry experts: during ChatGPT's first full year, student users actually outnumbered non-student users. This massive adoption among students was accompanied by an equally severe and immediate backlash from educational institutions.

The widespread student adoption of AI tools for homework created an unprecedented situation where the primary user base was actually the demographic that educational institutions were trying to restrict from using these technologies.

"Everyone has this intuitive sense that people are using AI for homework, but even I was surprised - for probably the full first year of ChatGPT, the student users were even larger than everyone else who was a non-student user, which is pretty crazy."

This data point highlights the natural affinity students have for AI tools and the significant gap between student behavior and institutional policies during the early adoption phase.

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The education sector has undergone a dramatic shift from the initial "AI wave and AI detectors" and what Zach calls the "rock-paper-scissors wars of education." Major school districts like LA and New York City initially banned AI entirely, but the landscape has evolved significantly.

The transformation has occurred at different rates across educational levels. In K-12, approximately 80% of districts now have dedicated generative AI teams actively procuring new technologies, with earmarked budgets and people proactively seeking AI solutions. While friction remains around implementation and teacher involvement, the overall trajectory is toward increased AI integration.

"We're super far away from that moment, which I think is really strong. Now I think we're in different layers of far away depending on where you are in education."

Higher education is leading the charge, with major companies like Anthropic releasing Claude for Education and OpenAI launching educational platforms. These companies are partnering and piloting with universities, creating horizontal platforms fundamental to both teacher and student experiences.

The most progressive institutions are now mandating AI usage in their curriculum, with Ohio State being a notable example. This represents a complete reversal from the initial panic to embracing AI as an essential tool for future careers.

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The education market presents unique challenges due to its fragmented nature, encompassing multiple distinct segments: public schools, private schools, charter schools, homeschooling, supplementary products for parents, higher education (both public and private), and adult education including reskilling and future learning.

This complexity is particularly relevant in the AI age, where automation and job enhancement are driving demand for continuous learning and reskilling. The market fragmentation creates different adoption patterns, procurement processes, and implementation challenges across each segment.

The diversity of educational contexts means that AI adoption strategies must be tailored to each segment's specific needs, constraints, and decision-making processes. Understanding these distinctions is crucial for founders building in the education space and for predicting where AI will have the most immediate impact.

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The most unexpected finding in AI education adoption is that teachers themselves are driving the trend, rather than parents buying standalone products or school districts implementing top-down initiatives. This grassroots adoption by educators represents a fundamental shift from typical education technology adoption patterns.

Teachers are proactively seeking out and implementing AI tools in their daily workflows, often ahead of official institutional policies or procurement processes. This bottom-up adoption suggests that teachers recognize the immediate practical value of AI in addressing their daily challenges and improving their effectiveness.

"I think I was really - I'm still really surprised that this is my answer - which is teachers. It's not actually..."

This teacher-led adoption is particularly significant because it indicates that AI tools are solving real problems educators face, rather than being imposed solutions. The organic nature of this adoption suggests greater likelihood of sustained usage and effective integration into educational practices.

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• Student AI usage exceeded non-student usage during ChatGPT's first year, surprising even industry experts
• Education has moved from AI bans to proactive adoption, with 80% of K-12 districts now having dedicated AI teams
• Higher education is leading AI integration, with major platform partnerships and mandatory curriculum requirements
• Teachers are unexpectedly driving AI adoption from the bottom-up, rather than top-down institutional mandates
• The education market's fragmentation across multiple segments creates unique adoption challenges and opportunities
• Ohio State and other institutions are now mandating AI usage, representing a complete reversal from initial resistance

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People:

• Zach Cohen - a16z education expert and former edtech entrepreneur
• Justine Moore - a16z partner and podcast host
• Olivia Moore - a16z partner and podcast host

Companies/Products:

• Quizlet - Educational platform mentioned in Zach's investment experience
• Duolingo - Language learning app from General Atlantic portfolio
• Chess.com - Educational gaming platform deal mentioned
• ChatGPT/OpenAI - AI platform with educational initiatives
• Claude/Anthropic - AI platform with education-specific offerings

Institutions:

• Ohio State University - Example of mandatory AI curriculum implementation
• LA Public Schools - Initially banned AI, representing early resistance
• New York City Public Schools - Initially banned AI, representing early resistance
• General Atlantic - Investment firm with education focus

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Teachers are demonstrating the highest levels of AI adoption, willingly paying for and integrating these tools into their daily workflows. Unlike students who often use AI as a quick homework helper before moving on to other activities, teachers are finding sustained value in AI applications.

Adult learners show some promise with improved retention and completion rates on platforms like Duolingo with AI features, but no native AI player has emerged in the adult education space. The challenge appears to be distribution difficulty, making it more effective to layer AI onto existing strong pedagogy rather than building from scratch.

"It's teachers who are willing to kind of pay and use this in their every single day workflow. I've seen a lot of adoption at students who are trying to use this for homework helpers, but they're kind of turning off or using it as a way to get their problem set done and then go back to hanging out."

The rapid adoption among teachers stems from AI's ability to address what they hate most about their job - the administrative burden that consumes 90% of their time.

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Teachers are experiencing a revolutionary shift in their daily work as AI eliminates the administrative tasks that have historically consumed 90% of their time and energy. These burdensome tasks include grading, providing feedback, communicating with parents, building new assignments, and developing curriculum.

Many teachers have been stuck in cycles of borrowing curriculum year-over-year and slowly iterating on one unit at a time. Now, AI enables them to generate personalized curriculum for each student, representing a quantum leap in educational customization.

"90% of the job that they hate is the administrative part - which is grading, feedback, going home, building new assignments, new curriculum. A lot of them have just been borrowing curriculum year-over-year, they've been trying to iterate on one unit at a time, and now they can generate a curriculum per student."

The vision extends beyond simply generating traditional educational assets like worksheets or multiple choice questions. The future points toward units that become complete AI experiences, fundamentally changing how education is delivered and experienced.

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The scale of teacher AI adoption is staggering, with Magic School alone reporting over 5 million users and an estimated 50% of US teachers having used their platform. This represents one of the fastest technology adoption rates in education history.

The most mature AI education companies from a revenue perspective are successfully selling directly to teachers through bottom-up adoption models. This is particularly impressive given that teachers typically have very limited budgets for tools.

"Magic School has over 5 million users, I think 50% of US teachers have used their tool. Most of the mature AI companies from a revenue standpoint have been selling to teachers bottoms up, which is tremendous."

The return on investment for teachers is outsized compared to the modest $15-20 monthly cost they're paying for these tools. This cost-effectiveness is driving the rapid adoption and demonstrating clear value proposition in the education market.

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The challenge of evaluating AI in education reveals a fundamental tension between what drives usage and what actually improves learning outcomes. While ChatGPT likely still dominates student usage compared to more focused educational products, usage metrics don't necessarily correlate with educational effectiveness.

The distinction between investor metrics and learning outcomes creates complexity in evaluating success. From an investment perspective, the focus is on retention and engagement patterns, while educational effectiveness requires measuring actual improvements in information retention, learning, and memory.

"There's a couple ways to look at what is working in AI and education. One would be what is getting the most usage, which to your point is probably still ChatGPT for the end students versus maybe more focused products, and then there's what is actually improving retention of information, learning, memory, things like that."

This dual perspective is essential for understanding the true impact of AI in education and separating engagement metrics from genuine learning improvements.

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From an investment perspective, measuring AI education success requires sophisticated analysis of retention and engagement patterns. The focus is on cohorted engagement rather than simple usage statistics, particularly examining how students perform over time as companies grow.

Summer months and test-driven usage create unique challenges in education metrics. The key question is whether students who initially come to an app for urgent test prep (like a test in two days) find the experience valuable enough to return for proactive learning.

"We look at metrics such as cohorted engagement to see how students are performing. I love looking at the weekly - how many days in a week is a user using this on a cohort basis as the company grows."

The most valuable metric is weekly engagement frequency, particularly when users maintain 4-5 days per week usage (reflecting the school week). This suggests the product is becoming integral to their learning process rather than just a homework completion tool. Flattening engagement curves above this threshold indicate sustainable product-market fit.

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Measuring actual learning outcomes in AI education presents extraordinary challenges similar to those faced across many markets - the fundamental question of benchmarks and evaluation functions. Unlike corporate environments with ambiguous performance reviews, education has concrete tests, but these create their own measurement problems.

The complexity stems from needing multiple years of student testing data to account for numerous variables and to distinguish between conditional, independent, and dependent factors affecting learning outcomes. Additionally, since AI remains at the periphery of education rather than being core to schooling systems, isolating its impact becomes nearly impossible.

"This is a really hard question and I think it's probably privy to a lot of different markets are kind of suffering from this - what is the benchmark and eval function in education? Education has tests at the end of the year that measure students' performance, but you need multiple years of student testing because there's a bunch of variables there."

Current AI applications help teachers create better assignments and help students complete homework, but they're not yet fundamental to the core schooling system. This peripheral role makes it difficult to measure direct learning impact, requiring a combination of product metrics and founder understanding of pedagogy and learning methods.

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While comprehensive data on learning outcomes remains elusive, some encouraging research papers have emerged from schools and universities showing test improvements with AI-instructed courses. These early results are promising but represent research papers and case studies rather than large-scale, systematic studies.

The education field is still several years away from understanding true learning outcomes from AI integration. Current evidence is limited to small-scale research rather than full state or nationwide studies that would provide definitive answers about AI's educational impact.

"There's some papers that have come out from various schools and universities that have shown test improvements with an AI-instructed course or things like that, which is exciting, but again these are research papers and case studies - these aren't full state or full nationwide studies."

The path forward requires patience and methodical research to build the evidence base necessary to understand AI's true educational potential and impact on student learning outcomes.

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• Teachers are the primary drivers of AI adoption in education, willingly paying for tools that address their administrative burden
• 90% of teachers' job dissatisfaction comes from administrative tasks that AI can now handle effectively
• Magic School has over 5 million users with 50% of US teachers having used their platform
• Students primarily use AI for homework completion rather than sustained learning engagement
• Measuring AI's educational impact is extremely challenging due to multiple variables and AI's peripheral role in core education
• Investment metrics focus on cohorted engagement and weekly usage patterns (4-5 days/week as ideal)
• Early research shows promise but lacks the scale needed for definitive conclusions about learning outcomes

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Companies/Products:

• Magic School - AI education platform with over 5 million users
• Duolingo - Language learning platform showing improved retention with AI features
• ChatGPT - Most widely used AI tool among students

Concepts:

• Cohorted Engagement - Investment metric analyzing user retention patterns over time
• Bottom-up Adoption - Sales model where individual teachers purchase tools directly
• Peripheral Integration - AI's current role at the edges rather than core of education systems

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Alpha School has captured widespread attention through viral Instagram videos showcasing their revolutionary educational approach. Founded by Mackenzie Price and operating as a charter school across multiple states, the school has gained massive social media following through an account called "The Future of Education."

The school's model centers on just two hours of daily classwork delivered via AI tutors - computer programs that teach students at their individual level. Students spend the remainder of their day on self-directed projects and activities, representing a fundamental shift from traditional educational structures.

"She runs a school called Alpha School, which I believe is a charter school in a few states now, and has had these viral Instagram videos blow up by showing how her school - they have two hours of classwork I believe it is a day and it's delivered via AI tutors like these computer programs that are teaching kids at their level."

This viral visibility has made Alpha School a lightning rod for discussions about AI's role in education and what the future of learning might look like.

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Alpha School represents exactly what the education industry needs - functioning as an innovation laboratory similar to corporate R&D teams like Snap Labs. While traditional education systems move slowly through superintendent approvals and budget cycles over 3-4 years, Alpha School operates with the agility to test, iterate, and deprecate features rapidly.

The school benefits from unique advantages that enable this experimental approach: a $40,000 tuition creating substantial resources, well-funded private school infrastructure, and a self-selecting parent and student base who actively want technology integration in education.

"Alpha School is like everything I can ask for about what's happening in education. What Alpha School brings us is what any labs team would bring at a company - they're moving fast and not deploying a bunch of resources and they have outside budget to go do this."

These seemingly small factors combine to create dramatically different outcomes, removing friction and enabling rapid innovation that would be impossible in traditional educational settings. The school can afford to overspend on software and test multiple solutions to determine what actually works.

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Alpha School's full commitment to AI integration is producing remarkable academic outcomes. Students are ranking in the 99th percentile on various assessments, placing them in the top 1-2% nationally - results that demonstrate the incredible potential when technology is properly leveraged in education.

The school's approach aligns with proven learning methodologies that have long been advocated by educators: self-discovery, self-learning, and very limited direct instruction. Rather than replacing these concepts with technology, Alpha School is using AI to enable and enhance these time-tested approaches.

"If you have the privilege to go test it out and figure it out, it will have outsized impact. I think they ranked like 99th percentile on a few different assessments - their students are now like top 1, top 2% in the nation. It is incredible outcomes."

The success validates that when schools can move beyond single-point AI solutions and embrace comprehensive technology integration, the results can be transformational. The school is paving the way for other institutions to understand what's possible with current AI capabilities.

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Alpha School's success highlights a critical challenge in education technology: the lack of commercialization pathways for effective AI solutions. While the school demonstrates what's possible with substantial software budgets, most public schools face severe financial constraints that prevent similar implementations.

The barriers include high software costs, complex integration requirements, and limited software literacy at the institutional level. Public school superintendents simply don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars in software budgets to replicate Alpha School's comprehensive approach.

"The lack of commercialization of a lot of this software - part of that is what does the integration look like, part of that is just the cost of software, part of that is the software literacy at the school level."

However, this dynamic creates a valuable testing ground where Alpha School and similar privileged institutions can validate what works, allowing companies to benefit from early partnerships and eventually develop more accessible solutions as software costs decrease over time.

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The fundamental question of whether AI will replace human teachers reveals the complexity of current AI implementation in education. While superintendents may lack software budgets, they do invest heavily in teacher salaries, making teacher replacement a natural economic consideration.

The reality is that full AI teacher replacement remains on a very long horizon, if at all achievable. Despite teacher shortages and overwhelming workloads, current AI applications are far behind even basic consumer and enterprise use cases that have been developing for years.

"Will software in some way replace teachers? Will AI replace teachers or will we still need a human instructor to be delivering the curriculum or giving lessons to the majority of students? I think no, or very long horizon away."

The biggest current AI use case in education is generating answer sheets or worksheets - not even creating complete classroom units. This represents a fundamental limitation that keeps AI at the periphery rather than the core of educational delivery.

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A crucial distinction exists between AI making teachers more productive and students actually learning in AI-enabled environments. Current AI tools are allowing teachers to become 10 times more effective at their jobs, reducing burnout and dramatically improving their capabilities, which represents tremendous progress.

However, students are still interacting with traditional educational assets and having largely the same learning experiences. While worksheets might be updated more frequently or include better references and memes, this doesn't constitute a fundamental transformation of the learning environment.

"They're allowing a teacher to be a lot more productive and be 10 times better at their job, have feel like burnout is a lot lower - incredible, really amazing - but it doesn't mean that the students are interacting with AI in a learning environment."

True AI-enabled learning would involve students taking history lessons directly from Lincoln's avatar, having detailed conversations with historical figures, creating immersive worlds around creative writing prompts, or developing games around their learning objectives. These transformational experiences remain far from mainstream implementation.

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The trajectory of AI in education points toward reducing the amount of active teaching required rather than completely replacing human teachers. AI has the potential to deliver really effective active instruction, but this doesn't translate to full human teacher replacement.

The gap between current capabilities and true AI teaching units remains substantial. While AI can enhance productivity and create better educational materials, the comprehensive replacement of human educators involves complexities that extend far beyond current technological capabilities.

"We're so far away from even AI teaching units, I think we're very far from AI teachers. I think what will happen is the amount of active teaching will go away because I think you can have really good active teaching with AI, but I don't think it's going to fully replace a human teacher."

The future likely holds a hybrid model where AI handles specific instructional components while human teachers continue to provide essential elements of education that technology cannot replicate - relationship building, emotional support, complex problem-solving guidance, and adaptive human judgment.

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• Alpha School operates as an innovation lab for education, testing comprehensive AI integration with $40,000 tuition enabling rapid experimentation
• Students achieve 99th percentile results with just 2 hours of AI-delivered classwork daily, proving AI's potential when properly implemented
• The school's success highlights the commercialization challenge - most institutions lack hundreds of thousands in software budget
• AI teacher replacement remains on a very long horizon due to current limitations in creating true AI learning environments
• Current AI primarily makes teachers more productive rather than transforming student learning experiences
• True AI-enabled education would involve immersive experiences like conversing with historical avatars or creating interactive worlds
• The future likely involves AI reducing active teaching requirements while human teachers remain essential for relationship and judgment-based roles

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People:

• Mackenzie Price - Founder and operator of Alpha School

Companies/Institutions:

• Alpha School - Charter school operating across multiple states with AI-driven curriculum
• The Future of Education - Viral Instagram account showcasing Alpha School's methods
• Snap Labs - Referenced as example of corporate innovation lab model

Concepts:

• AI Tutors - Computer programs delivering personalized instruction at student level
• Self-directed Projects - Student-led learning activities outside of formal instruction
• Innovation Lab Model - Rapid testing and iteration approach borrowed from tech companies
• 99th Percentile Results - Academic achievement metrics demonstrating Alpha School's success

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A new wave of educational content is exploding across social media platforms, featuring deepfake AI celebrities delivering complex academic lessons. This represents a dramatic departure from traditional educational content like Khan Academy videos, creating engaging learning experiences that blur the line between entertainment and education.

Instagram accounts like "Onlock Learning" are generating millions of views per video by having AI versions of celebrities like Sydney Sweeney explain math and physics concepts, particularly for AP and IB exams. These videos combine celebrity appeal with sophisticated diagrams and graphics that walk students through detailed explanations.

"There's this Instagram account called Onlock Learning and yeah they have like every video they post gets millions of views and it's like explanations delivered by deepfake AI celebrities of math and physics content, I think particularly for the AP or IB exams."

This trend raises fundamental questions about whether we'll see more standalone AI edtech products or simply new formats and delivery methods across existing platforms that students already use and love.

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The evolution of AI educational content represents a fascinating paradox - videos that look, feel, and sound exactly like "brain rot" content but deliver incredibly detailed and technical educational material. This approach has proven remarkably engaging, with viewers consuming far more educational content than they have in years.

The quality has improved dramatically over time. A year ago, the content was simple concepts like "Taylor Swift teaching the Taylor series," but now features sophisticated conversations between multiple AI celebrities discussing complex topics.

"I've watched way more educational videos in the last four days than I've had in the last 10 years, which again is like a really good signal that they're engaging. They feel like brain rot content but they're actually the complete opposite."

Current examples include Drake and Sydney Sweeney having detailed conversations about three-dimensional mathematical concepts, with both the animation and deepfake technology becoming increasingly sophisticated and engaging. The format successfully hijacks the addictive nature of social media content while delivering substantial educational value.

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Traditional education has long categorized students into fixed learning styles - visual learners, auditory learners, kinesthetic learners - and this labeling was considered progressive pedagogy. However, this approach creates artificial limitations by boxing students into predetermined categories.

The reality is far more nuanced and dynamic. An individual might be a visual learner for one subject, prefer audio for another topic, want to read and reflect for a third subject, or engage with entertaining video content for yet another concept. Learning preferences are contextual and fluid, not fixed personality traits.

"I don't know if you remember as a kid you were like 'oh like Zach's a visual learner' or 'Justine likes audio' and you kind of get boxed into a type of learner. The problem is I'm a visual learner for one thing but I might want to listen to a podcast for another and read for another or watch a brain rot video for another."

AI-enabled education is creating opportunities to move beyond these limiting labels toward truly personalized learning that adapts to both the subject matter and the individual's current needs and preferences.

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The emergence of AI-driven educational content is creating a new paradigm where learners can select their preferred modality based on the specific topic, their current understanding level, and their learning objectives. This represents a fundamental shift from one-size-fits-all educational delivery.

Students now have the ability to choose from multiple learning approaches depending on their needs: brain rot-style videos for casual topic exploration, generated problem sets for exam preparation, audio explanations for answer review, or traditional reading for deep contemplation.

"We're going to have like a factioning of a bunch of different types of learners where depending on the topic and your understanding of the topic you could pick whatever modality you want. And then also depending on how serious you want to get in the topic."

The intensity and format can match the stakes involved. Casual conversational understanding might call for entertaining video content, while high-stakes exam preparation demands more rigorous problem sets and detailed explanations. This flexibility removes the burden of being confined to a single learning style label.

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The engagement metrics for these new AI educational formats are extraordinary, demonstrating that students are hungry for content that bridges entertainment and learning. This isn't traditional "brain rot" content - it's sophisticated educational material delivered through highly engaging formats.

Examples include "day in the life" vlogs featuring famous historical figures, which manage to be simultaneously entertaining and educational. These videos succeed in making complex topics genuinely fascinating while maintaining educational integrity.

"The engagement of these videos are insane. I mean this is not a brain rot video - this is very different. Well even the vlogs where it's like a day in the life of some famous historical figure - incredible, it's fascinating, it's like truly entertaining to watch and I find myself actually learning things."

While it remains unclear whether these formats will develop into standalone companies, they represent the most exciting current development in education - the removal of artificial constraints on learning modalities and the creation of truly engaging educational experiences.

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• Deepfake AI celebrities delivering educational content are generating millions of views, representing a new paradigm in edtech engagement
• AI educational content successfully mimics "brain rot" social media formats while delivering sophisticated technical instruction
• Traditional learning style labels (visual, auditory, kinesthetic) are being replaced by contextual, topic-specific learning preferences
• Students can now choose learning modalities based on subject matter, understanding level, and learning objectives rather than fixed personality types
• The intensity and format of learning can match the stakes - casual videos for exploration, rigorous problem sets for high-stakes exams
• Historical figure vlogs and celebrity conversations about complex topics prove that entertainment and education can be seamlessly integrated
• These formats may represent the future of learning delivery rather than traditional standalone educational products

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People/Characters:

• Sydney Sweeney - Celebrity featured in AI educational deepfake videos
• Drake - Celebrity featured in AI educational deepfake conversations
• Taylor Swift - Early example of celebrity AI teaching content

Companies/Platforms:

• Onlock Learning - Instagram account featuring celebrity AI educational content with millions of views
• Khan Academy - Traditional educational video platform referenced for comparison
• Notebook LM - AI tool mentioned for creating podcast content from textbooks
• TikTok - Platform hosting viral AI educational content
• Madam - Open source animation package mentioned

Concepts:

• Deepfake AI celebrities - AI-generated celebrity personas delivering educational content
• Brain rot content - Highly engaging, addictive social media content format
• AP/IB exams - Advanced academic examinations targeted by AI educational content
• Learning style labels - Traditional educational categorization (visual, auditory, kinesthetic learners)
• Taylor series - Mathematical concept used as example in early AI celebrity content

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Companies developing cutting-edge AI educational tools face a fundamental challenge: while they can create revolutionary experiences like chatting with Napoleon about history, school adoption requires starting with basic tools like worksheet generators and student helpers. This creates a frustrating dynamic where the most innovative features remain underutilized.

Once schools adopt the rudimentary tools, transitioning to advanced AI experiences proves difficult because it represents a completely new form of education rather than simply doing existing tasks better. Usage data reveals that while exciting AI conversation tools may be adopted and paid for by schools, their actual usage remains extremely low compared to basic administrative tools.

"In order to get school adoption they have to wedge in with these kind of more rudimentary tools which is like the worksheet generators and student helpers and feedback, and then once you do that it's not so easy to get people to use the other mode because it's a new form of education versus hey do the same thing just do it 10 times better."

This suggests a critical need for large-scale professional development movements to help educators integrate AI not just into their workflow, but directly into classroom instruction.

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The emergence of AI-generated educational content represents a fundamental shift in how we think about teaching by separating content creation from content delivery. Traditional schools cannot easily separate content from teachers, but AI enables optimization of both elements independently.

Brain rot educational videos demonstrate this separation perfectly - they optimize content explanation for clarity and understanding while simultaneously optimizing delivery through familiar celebrity voices and engaging graphics. Comments from physics graduate students with 4.0 GPAs at prestigious programs validate that these explanations often surpass traditional instruction.

"For the first time it feels like it's separating what the content is and who is delivering the content and then it's optimizing both of those. You're optimizing for 'this is how you explain, this is how you deliver the content in a good way' and then 'here's the brain rot celebrity, this is a familiar voice, this is an interesting graphic.'"

This approach represents a complete reimagining of educational delivery that would be impossible in traditional classroom settings but becomes natural when designing education systems from the ground up in an AI-first world.

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Textbook companies and publishers maintain significant control over educational content and what enters classrooms, creating a critical dynamic that will determine AI's educational future. Their response to AI innovation will largely shape how quickly and effectively these technologies integrate into mainstream education.

The challenge lies in textbook companies' internal conflict - they sometimes view AI as cannibalizing their existing business model, while other times seeing it as extending their content with AI augmentation rather than net new creation. Their single source of truth position gives them power, but their content slowly loses value daily.

"The textbook companies kind of control this dynamic here a lot. They are still the gatekeepers of a lot of content and what gets in and out of the classroom. Sometimes they view this as cannibalizing their existing business, sometimes they're like 'this is extending our existing content and we have the single source of truth.'"

The next 18 months will be crucial as these companies decide whether to partner with AI companies for distribution and technology extension, or resist change. This decision will significantly impact the pace of AI adoption in education.

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The education community exists along a spectrum of AI adoption philosophies. On one end lies the pragmatic approach that acknowledges the educational system's complexity - similar to healthcare or tax systems with outdated components that resist change. This perspective focuses on working within existing structures.

The opposing view advocates for complete transformation - replacing traditional instruction with AI tutors who have ingested the entire internet and potentially know more than human teachers. This perspective questions why we maintain current systems when AI could provide superior instruction.

"Zach's on one side of the spectrum which is like 'this is how the educational system actually works and it's very complicated' and I'm on the other end where I'm like 'blow it all up and have everyone be taught by an AI tutor like all of the time - if LLMs have ingested the whole internet they've probably learned a lot of stuff.'"

While the pragmatic approach dominates current reality, growing numbers of people are reconsidering careers, life paths, and educational choices in the AI age, potentially shifting toward more radical transformation.

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Parents are fundamentally motivated by better outcomes for their children, creating a potential market for truly AI-directed education. Their reward model focuses on whether investments in technology, tutors, or courses will improve their child's educational standing, making them potentially receptive to proven AI solutions.

A compelling early example involves an AI reading company targeting 3-4 year olds, promising to achieve third-grade reading levels within three months for $500 monthly. Despite the early-stage nature and high cost, numerous parents signed up within the first two months, demonstrating demand for AI-powered educational outcomes.

"Parents want better outcomes - that's what the reward model for them is. Are we going to invest in technology, are we going to invest in this tutor, are we going to invest in this course that allows my child to be better off from an education standpoint?"

The success of such ventures will depend on proving outcomes. If they deliver on promises, more parents will embrace AI education. If they fail, parents will likely return to traditional tutoring methods, potentially slowing AI adoption in this market segment.

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The adoption of AI education tools varies significantly based on socioeconomic factors and resource constraints. Families with disposable income for $100-200 hourly private tutors face different calculations when considering AI alternatives, especially if AI software is priced comparably to human tutoring.

However, the value proposition changes dramatically for families comparing AI to passive entertainment. When the choice is between children watching Netflix for four hours versus engaging with an AI tutor that teaches while maintaining engagement, the decision becomes much clearer.

"If you have the disposable income to spend $100-200 an hour on a private tutor, the comp to using AI is a bit harder. But if it's 'hey my kid's going to watch Netflix for four hours or I can put them in front of an LLM that can teach them things and keep them engaged,' then that's a very different conversation."

Geographic location, resource constraints, and socioeconomic status all influence adoption patterns. This suggests AI education will likely see varied uptake across different population segments, with the most dramatic impact potentially occurring in underserved communities where traditional tutoring is financially inaccessible.

Timestamp: [25:06-25:35]

AI tutors offer unprecedented control opportunities for parents, allowing them to customize their children's learning experiences in ways impossible with human tutors. Parents can specify exactly how they want concepts explained, which topics to avoid, and detailed instructional preferences like showing mathematical equations followed by proofs and explanations.

This controllability continues to improve for non-technical users, making AI tutoring increasingly accessible to parents without programming knowledge. The ability to fine-tune educational approaches to match family values and learning preferences represents a significant advantage over traditional educational options.

"LLMs can be controlled right so parents could say 'Hey I want it to explain this way' - 'I don't want you to discuss this topic' or 'every question I want you to show the mathematical equation and then write the proof and explain it.' I think all of that control is really exciting for some parents."

The challenge lies in harnessing this potential effectively and developing appropriate benchmarks to measure success. With proper implementation, this customizable approach could represent a significant educational future for many families seeking personalized learning experiences.

Timestamp: [25:35-26:11]

• AI education companies must start with basic tools like worksheet generators to gain school adoption, but transitioning to advanced AI experiences proves extremely difficult
• Professional development movements are needed to help educators integrate AI into classroom instruction, not just administrative workflows
• AI enables revolutionary separation of content creation from delivery, optimizing both elements independently for the first time
• Textbook companies remain powerful gatekeepers whose next 18 months of decisions will largely determine AI adoption pace in education
• Two competing visions exist: pragmatic evolution within existing systems versus complete transformation to AI-first education
• Parents are outcome-focused and willing to pay for proven AI education solutions, but adoption depends on demonstrable results
• Socioeconomic factors heavily influence AI education adoption, with the greatest potential impact in underserved communities
• AI tutors offer unprecedented parental control and customization impossible with human instructors

Timestamp: [20:13-26:11]

People/Characters:

• Napoleon - Historical figure mentioned as example of AI conversation partner for history lessons

Companies/Concepts:

• V3 - Company mentioned for AI conversation tools with historical figures
• Textbook companies/Publishers - Traditional educational content gatekeepers controlling classroom materials
• AI reading company - Early-stage company targeting 3-4 year olds with $500/month AI reading instruction
• Netflix - Streaming service referenced as passive entertainment alternative to AI tutoring
• LLMs (Large Language Models) - AI systems that have ingested internet content for educational applications

Educational Concepts:

• Professional Development (PD) - Teacher training programs needed for AI classroom integration
• Worksheet generators - Basic AI tools used as entry point for school adoption
• Student helpers - AI tools providing educational assistance and feedback
• Third-grade reading level - Target achievement for AI reading program within three months

Timestamp: [20:13-26:11]

The coming school year represents a pivotal moment for AI integration in higher education. This sector is positioned to lead the charge in demonstrating how AI can be effectively implemented in educational settings, with major developments expected in how higher education institutions utilize AI and how large model companies collaborate with educational organizations.

Key questions will be answered around whether large model companies can deliver educational value independently or if specialized application companies built on top of these platforms will be necessary. This will help define the competitive landscape and determine which approaches prove most effective for educational outcomes.

"I think we'll see a ton of progress on the higher education side. I think this is the year for higher education this kind of next coming school year - how do higher ed use it, how do the large model companies work with education companies."

The higher education sector's willingness to experiment and adopt new technologies positions it as the testing ground for broader educational AI implementation that could eventually filter down to K-12 and other educational contexts.

Timestamp: [26:31-26:55]

The next 12 months will mark a crucial transition in AI education implementation - moving from peripheral applications that simply make existing tasks easier to genuine classroom integration. This shift involves bringing AI directly into educational discussions and learning experiences rather than just administrative functions.

Voice AI capabilities and real-time interaction represent particularly exciting unlock opportunities for classroom integration. These technologies could enable natural conversation-based learning that feels more like human interaction while maintaining the scalability and consistency advantages of AI systems.

"I think we are going to in the next 12 months move from kind of the outside of education the use of AI just to make things easier to bringing it into the classroom whether it's like adding it to a discussion. I think a lot of the unlocks in voice in real time is really exciting."

While this period may not birth massive education companies immediately, it will provide crucial market maturation insights and demonstrate what authentic AI classroom integration looks like in practice.

Timestamp: [26:55-27:24]

The ultimate consumer vision involves creating the first fully AI teacher influencer - not a deepfake celebrity, but an AI educator designed from the ground up to be maximally engaging while maintaining educational authenticity. This represents a fundamental shift from adapting existing personalities to creating purpose-built educational AI characters.

Such an AI teacher would be engineered specifically for educational effectiveness, combining entertainment value with pedagogical expertise in ways that human teachers and celebrity deepfakes cannot achieve. The potential lies in optimizing every aspect of the teaching persona for learning outcomes rather than adapting existing personalities.

"What I'd love to see from a consumer perspective is the first like fully AI teacher influencer - not one of the deepfake celebrities, I know they're super entertaining - but it would be kind of fascinating to see what does it look like if you designed the most engaging but also truly informative teacher from the ground up."

This approach could unlock educational experiences that are impossible with human instructors while maintaining the engagement levels that make learning genuinely enjoyable and effective.

Timestamp: [27:24-27:42]

The future of AI education involves creating adaptive, personalized teacher personas that match individual learning preferences rather than one-size-fits-all approaches. Some students might learn best from an animated dog character, while others prefer photorealistic human teachers, demonstrating the need for diverse AI educational personalities.

The goal is developing AI-driven characters that can adapt in real-time to deliver truly personalized learning experiences tailored to each student's timeline and preferences. This level of customization is impossible in traditional educational settings but becomes natural with AI systems.

"There's probably not one teacher who's that for everyone. I might learn best from an animated dog whereas you might learn best from an actual photorealistic teacher, and how we can create those sort of adaptive AI-driven characters in real time who can deliver really personalized learning on each student's timeline."

This personalization extends beyond visual presentation to pacing, explanation style, and interaction methods, creating genuinely individualized educational experiences that adapt to each learner's needs.

Timestamp: [27:42-28:06]

One of AI education's most transformative potentials lies in liberating students from the artificial constraints of classroom pacing. Traditional schools force almost everyone to move at the average pace of 30 other students, preventing both acceleration for quick learners and adequate time for those who need it.

Schools like Alpha School demonstrate how AI can enable students to spend as much or as little time as needed to master each subject before moving forward. This mastery-based progression represents a fundamental shift from time-based to competency-based learning.

"One of the exciting things that schools like Alpha School are enabling is you can spend as much or little time on a subject as you need to learn it, master it and move on, whereas in a traditional school system almost everyone is moving at the pace of their classroom."

Currently, only expensive external tutoring can provide this flexibility, but AI education could democratize personalized pacing and make individualized learning timelines accessible to all students regardless of economic background.

Timestamp: [28:06-28:39]

Large Language Models have reached a maturity level where they function as credible learning partners for knowledge acquisition. ChatGPT and similar systems are genuinely effective places to learn new concepts, though users should verify information accuracy as with any educational resource.

However, LLMs face a critical limitation: they are not inherently engaging products, especially when learning involves stress or mandatory requirements. The technology is pedagogically sound but lacks the engagement infrastructure necessary for sustained educational interaction.

"The language models are good enough to teach - they really are. If you want to learn something, ChatGPT is a great place to go learn something. Obviously make sure everything they're saying is perfect, but it's a great place to learn something, but it's really not an engagement product especially when you have to learn it and there's stress involved."

This creates the need for engagement infrastructure around LLMs - avatars, voice interaction, and other user experience elements that make learning feel natural and enjoyable while leveraging the underlying AI's educational capabilities.

Timestamp: [28:50-29:08]

The future of AI education lies in creating experiences that feel native to how humans interact with language models rather than forcing AI into traditional educational formats. This involves developing tools and interactions that leverage AI's unique capabilities while meeting students in engagement contexts they already enjoy.

The infrastructure around avatars, voice interaction, and immersive experiences will unlock AI's educational potential by making learning feel natural and engaging. These elements transform dry information transfer into dynamic, interactive experiences that capture and maintain student attention.

"All of the infrastructure around avatars, around voice and everything you're describing is going to actually unlock a lot around education. We're at the moment where LLMs are trusted as a learning partner - now we have to build experiences around them that feel native to how you interact with language models."

Success requires meeting students where their engagement already exists - like brain rot videos - while delivering genuine educational value through AI-native interaction patterns rather than traditional classroom metaphors.

Timestamp: [29:08-29:45]

• Higher education will lead AI adoption in the coming school year, serving as the testing ground for broader educational implementation
• The next 12 months will see AI transition from peripheral administrative tools to core classroom integration, particularly through voice and real-time interaction
• The ultimate vision involves purpose-built AI teacher influencers designed specifically for education rather than adapted celebrity personalities
• Personalized AI teachers could adapt to individual learning preferences, from animated characters to photorealistic humans
• AI education's greatest potential lies in breaking free from classroom pace constraints, enabling mastery-based rather than time-based progression
• LLMs are now trusted learning partners but lack engagement infrastructure needed for sustained educational interaction
• Success requires building AI-native learning experiences that leverage language models' strengths while meeting students in familiar engagement contexts

Timestamp: [26:17-29:50]

Technology/Companies:

• ChatGPT - AI language model referenced as effective learning partner
• Large Model Companies - AI companies developing educational partnerships
• LLMs (Large Language Models) - AI systems serving as trusted learning partners
• Alpha School - Referenced for demonstrating mastery-based progression

Concepts:

• AI Teacher Influencer - Purpose-built educational AI personality designed from ground up
• Voice AI/Real-time interaction - Technologies enabling natural conversation-based learning
• Avatars - Visual AI representations for educational engagement
• Brain rot videos - Engaging content format referenced as model for AI education
• Mastery-based progression - Learning approach where students advance based on competency rather than time
• Engagement infrastructure - User experience elements that make AI learning enjoyable and natural

Timestamp: [26:17-29:50]