Marc Andreessen: How Movies Explain America

Hollywood Movies as American Cultural Analysis

Marc Andreessen explains his fascination with Hollywood movies, particularly Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, as windows into understanding America itself.

Why Hollywood Movies Matter:

1. Insider Knowledge - Filmmakers know "where all the bodies are buried" and put authentic details into their work
2. American City Archetypes - LA represents the ultimate "fake it till you make it" American story
3. Cultural Lens - Great Hollywood movies become movies about America when they reach the level of capital-A art

Recommended Hollywood Movies:

• Mulholland Drive - Erik's favorite, spectacular Hollywood storytelling
• The Player - All-time classic industry satire
• Sunset Boulevard - Iconic golden age Hollywood
• Bugsy - The definitive Las Vegas movie
• Chinatown - LA's water acquisition saga

LA as the Ultimate American City:

• Created from pure desert through land development deals in the late 1800s
• Wealthy families placed newspaper ads with drawings of orchards and palm trees in eastern papers
• People bought land sight unseen, moved across country, and discovered "blasted out desert"
• Required massive infrastructure projects to "carve it out of the desert" and secure water rights

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The End of 1960s Cultural Innocence

The movie captures 1969 as the pivotal year when America's cultural revolution shifted from optimism to darkness, marking the end of an era.

The 1960s Cultural Revolution Timeline:

1. 1964 - Berkeley Free Speech Movement launches the cultural revolution
2. 1964-1969 - Explosion of hippie movements, modern rock and roll, counterculture
3. 1969 - The year everything changed and "positivity came to a screeching halt"

The Golden Years (1964-1969):

• Baby boomers coming of age as high school and college students
• Artistic explosion - incredible creativity in art, culture, and social innovation
• Counterculture symbols - long hair, beads, suede jackets, unwashed Levis
• Social movements - civil rights, feminism, gay rights, modern liberated society
• Anti-establishment energy - fighting "the man," corporations, environmental causes

The Dark Turn in 1969:

• Movement shifted to "very much the dark side"
• Beginning of the "long slide into the 1970s"
• Transition from soft drugs to hard drugs and overdoses
• Many participants in the cultural movement ended up dying

Historical Context:

• Vietnam War ramping up with conscription of non-volunteers
• Campus protests and anti-war movements gaining momentum
• Commune movement - people moving back to the earth, seeking superior ways to live

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Essential Insights:

1. Hollywood as American Mirror - Movies about Hollywood become movies about America when they reach artistic significance, offering unique insights into American culture and values
2. LA's Origin Story - Los Angeles represents the ultimate American "fake it till you make it" story, literally created from desert through ambitious land development and infrastructure projects
3. 1969 Cultural Pivot - Once Upon a Time in Hollywood captures the critical moment when America's 1960s cultural revolution shifted from optimistic creativity to darkness, marking the end of an era

Actionable Insights:

• Study Hollywood movies as cultural artifacts that reveal deeper truths about American society and values
• Understand how cities like LA were created through pure ambition and marketing, representing core American entrepreneurial spirit
• Recognize 1969 as a pivotal year that ended the optimistic phase of the 1960s counterculture movement

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The Dark Side of the Sexual Revolution and Cultural Shift

The late 1960s marked a dramatic transformation in American culture, where the optimistic counterculture movement began revealing its darker consequences:

The Unraveling of the Dream:

1. Sexual Liberation's Dark Reality - What initially promised freedom brought unexpected degradation and harm, particularly affecting women in ways that weren't anticipated
2. Cultural Disillusionment - The idealistic vision of the 1960s counterculture began showing its destructive potential
3. Societal Breakdown - The movement that started with hope and liberation began spiraling into chaos and violence

The 1970s Cascade of Problems:

• Vietnam War Disaster - The conflict went increasingly wrong, shattering American confidence
• Economic Crisis - Energy shortages, recession, and inflation created widespread hardship
• Political Division - Bitter, divisive politics emerged that mirror today's political dynamics
• Cultural Decay - Society began "sliding down a hill into chaos and madness and disease of death"

This period represents the pivot point where America's cultural innocence ended, setting the stage for decades of political and social conflict that continues today.

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The Event That Shattered America's Cultural Optimism

The Charles Manson murders, specifically the Sharon Tate murders, became the symbolic end of the 1960s counterculture dream and the beginning of America's cultural reckoning:

The Turning Point Moment:

1. Cultural Shock Wave - The murders served as the moment when Americans collectively realized "there's a dark side of this whole thing"
2. Hollywood Connection - Manson was intertwined with the movie and music industries, making the violence feel personal to American culture
3. Loss of Innocence - The brutal killings of innocent people, including the vivacious actress Sharon Tate, symbolized the end of the era's optimism

The Sharon Tate Tragedy:

• Hollywood Glamour Destroyed - Sharon Tate was a bubbly, enthusiastic young actress married to director Roman Polanski
• Power Couple Symbol - They represented the new Hollywood glamour and creative energy of the time
• Cultural Impact - Her murder became synonymous with the Manson killings, representing the destruction of American innocence

The Lasting Questions:

The murders left Americans grappling with fundamental questions about how Charles Manson could convince young people to commit such random acts of violence, revealing the dangerous potential of the counterculture movement's darker elements.

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The Surprising Creative Decision That Won Over Critics and Families

When Quentin Tarantino announced he was making a movie about the Charles Manson murders, everyone expected his signature ultra-violent style would create a traumatic exploitation film:

Initial Fears and Concerns:

1. Expected Horror Show - Given Tarantino's history with films like Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs, people anticipated "blood and guts" exploitation
2. Personal Worry - Marc Andreessen was concerned his wife would be traumatized by the expected graphic violence
3. Family Opposition - Sharon Tate's family initially objected, fearing their loved one's memory would become "fodder for Hollywood exploitation"

The Remarkable Turnaround:

• Script Reading - Tarantino allowed Sharon Tate's sister to read the script
• Complete 180 - The family immediately did a complete reversal and fully approved the project
• Valentine to Hollywood - The movie became a tribute to Hollywood, America, and specifically to Sharon Tate's memory

The Creative Genius:

Instead of exploiting the tragedy, Tarantino created a film that restored Sharon Tate's memory in an amazing way, turning what could have been a horror show into a loving tribute to the era and its lost innocence.

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The Flamethrower Clue That Revealed the Film's Direction

Tarantino cleverly planted visual clues early in the film to signal his intentions to observant fans who understood his filmmaking patterns:

The Strategic Easter Egg:

1. Inglourious Basterds Connection - In the opening scenes showing Leonardo DiCaprio's character's previous films, the famous flamethrower from Inglourious Basterds appears
2. Fan Recognition - Dedicated Tarantino fans immediately recognized this as a significant signal
3. Direction Indicator - The flamethrower suggested the film would follow the "revenge fantasy" model rather than pure exploitation violence

The Significance:

• Inglourious Basterds Parallel - That film was a revenge fantasy about "what could have happened if someone had killed Hitler"
• Alternative History Hint - The Easter egg suggested this would be another "what could have happened" scenario
• Reassurance Signal - Combined with the Tate family's approval, it indicated the film wouldn't be gratuitously violent

The Payoff:

The flamethrower becomes critically important at the film's climax, and fans who caught the early reference experienced particular satisfaction when it was deployed in the final scenes.

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The Genius Plot Twist That Rewrites History

Tarantino's masterful storytelling takes the audience through the entire buildup to the infamous night, then delivers a shocking alternative outcome:

The Historical Setup:

1. Authentic Build-Up - The film follows the real story of Hollywood in 1969 and the events leading to the murders
2. Character Development - Leonardo DiCaprio plays Rick, a fading 1960s movie star trying to stay relevant
3. The Fateful Night - The story builds toward the actual night of the Manson murders

The Critical Left Turn:

• Wrong House Target - Instead of going to Sharon Tate's house, the Manson cultists go to the house next door
• Leo's House - They end up at Rick's house where he lives with his friend, played by Brad Pitt
• Alternative History - This creates a completely different outcome from the real tragic events

The Brad Pitt Factor:

Cliff Booth's Secret Identity - Though not explicitly stated in the film, Tarantino conceived Brad Pitt's character as "basically the most deadly man in the world at that time":

• Super Soldier Background - He's a highly decorated Green Beret war hero
• Hollywood Stuntman - Now working in the film industry
• Perfect Defender - The Manson killers "walked exactly to the wrong house" because they encountered someone uniquely capable of stopping them

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Essential Insights:

1. Cultural Turning Point - The late 1960s marked the end of America's cultural innocence, with the sexual revolution revealing dark consequences and leading to the divisive politics we see today
2. Manson as Symbol - The Charles Manson murders, particularly the killing of Sharon Tate, became the defining moment that shattered the counterculture dream and showed America the dark side of the movement
3. Tarantino's Genius - Instead of creating an exploitation film, Tarantino crafted a loving tribute that restored Sharon Tate's memory and won over her family's approval

Actionable Insights:

• The 1970s cascade of problems (Vietnam, economic crisis, political division) created the foundation for today's bitter political dynamics
• Creative artists can honor tragic subjects by focusing on restoration and tribute rather than exploitation
• Alternative history storytelling can provide cathartic resolution to real-world tragedies while respecting victims' memories

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The Aging Hollywood Star's Struggle for Relevance

Rick Dalton's Career Trajectory:

1. Started as a tough guy movie star - Built his early career on a specific masculine archetype
2. Increasingly cast as the bad guy - As his archetype faded in 1969, he became the one who gets punched out rather than doing the punching
3. On a downward slide - Had absolutely no idea how to adapt to the changing Hollywood landscape

The Hollywood Transition Crisis:

• Old vs. New Hollywood: Rick represents the stylized acting of the 50s and 60s, while new stars like Sharon Tate represent the naturalistic style taking over
• Desperate for relevance: When Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate move next door, Rick sees his only chance to stay current by getting cast in a Polanski film
• Complete disconnect: There was absolutely no reason for the new Hollywood elite to give Rick Dalton the time of day

The Transformative Movie-Within-a-Movie:

• 30-minute sequence with Rick starring in a cheesy western alongside an 11-year-old girl (representing Jodie Foster)
• Profound acting moment: The child tells him "that's the best acting I've ever seen in my whole life"
• Career redemption: This scene teaches Rick how to actually act, moving beyond his clichéd tough guy roles

The Final Resolution:

Rick's ultimate salvation comes not through Hollywood networking, but through heroic action - saving Sharon Tate's life, which finally earns him the invitation into new Hollywood he desperately sought.

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Tarantino's Alternative History as Cultural Commentary

The Counterfactual Fantasy:

• Alternative outcome: Instead of the horrific Manson murders, the film presents a scenario where the killers are defeated
• Love letter to a different America: Shows what could have happened if the cultural revolution of the 1960s hadn't "gone bad"
• Highlighting the tragedy: By showing the positive alternative, Tarantino emphasizes how devastating the actual murders were

The Broader Cultural Impact:

1. Immediate LA consequences - People who lived through that period describe how quickly things got dark in Los Angeles
2. Widespread fear - Residents didn't know how many other serial killers or cults existed, leading to locked doors and reduced social activity
3. Beginning of serial killer era - The murders marked the start of the Ted Bundy era and wave of similar crimes

The National Significance:

• End of cultural innocence: The Manson murders represented where the 1960s counterculture movement went wrong
• Beginning of the 70s decline: Marked the start of America's downward slide in that decade
• Collective trauma: The tragedy affected not just the victims' families, but all of LA and American culture broadly

Tarantino's Genius Method:

By making the positive counterfactual so clear and compelling, the film illustrates the darkness that actually played out in real life in a way that perhaps nothing else has been able to achieve.

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The Unexpected Comedy in Tarantino's Climactic Violence

The Audience Reaction Phenomenon:

• Opening weekend viewers - Tarantino fans who really wanted to see the movie
• Extreme laughter for 20 minutes - During what critics called the most violent sequence
• Theater experience - The communal laughter was a crucial part of the viewing experience

The Setup for Comedy:

1. Cliff's altered state - The stuntman takes an edible or smokes an LSD cigarette right before the killers arrive
2. High as a kite - He's completely intoxicated when facing the Manson family members
3. Absurd timing - The contrast between his drug-induced state and the life-or-death situation

Tarantino's Detailed Craftsmanship:

• Specific music choice - Psychedelic rock band playing during the invasion
• Cultural transition through sound - Shows the evolution of the 1960s through carefully selected music throughout the film
• Meticulous attention to period details - Every element serves the larger narrative about cultural change

The Critical Divide:

Critics were split on the violence, with many calling it "extremely violent," but the actual audience experience was one of sustained laughter rather than horror or discomfort.

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Essential Insights:

1. Rick Dalton's character arc - Represents the struggle of old Hollywood masculinity trying to adapt to the naturalistic acting style of new Hollywood in 1969
2. Tarantino's counterfactual genius - By showing an alternative where the Manson murders don't happen, the film highlights the actual cultural tragedy that occurred
3. Audience reaction paradox - The most violent scene generates sustained laughter due to the absurd setup of a drugged stuntman fighting killers

Actionable Insights:

• The film works as both entertainment and cultural commentary by presenting what America could have been
• Tarantino's attention to period details like music and casting creates layers of meaning that reward close viewing
• The movie-within-a-movie sequence with the Jodie Foster character shows how great filmmaking can illustrate character transformation

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Tarantino's Radical Reimagining of Historical Violence

The film's most provocative sequence transforms the tragic Manson murders into dark comedy through an unexpected response: laughter. When the Manson family members arrive at Rick Dalton's house, high and armed with knives, Cliff Booth's reaction is pure amusement rather than fear.

The Power of Laughter vs. Fear:

1. Historical Context - The real Manson murders were met with terror and gave power to "extraordinary evil for decades"
2. Alternative Response - Cliff, "the most masculine deadly man in the room," responds with laughter while high
3. Cultural Impact - This reaction strips the killers of their power by treating them as "silly" rather than demonic

Extreme Violence as Comedy:

• The scene escalates into "20 minutes of just sheer hilarity" despite being incredibly violent
• Brad Pitt's character beats someone to death with a telephone in a comedic manner
• A flamethrower appears, creating violence that "meets the most horrific violence that we know is coming"
• The pit bull attack adds another layer of absurd brutality

Cultural Timing and Reception:

The film's release during the #MeToo era created complex reactions:

• Moral Ambiguity: Violence against women that audiences actually want to see happen
• Critical Division: Mixed emotions from critics due to the strange moviegoing experience
• Crowd-Pleasing Elements: Despite the controversial content, audiences found it delightful

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The Square vs. The Hippie Cultural Battle

The film presents a fascinating role reversal where traditional American archetypes triumph over counterculture icons during the height of the 1960s cultural revolution.

Character Symbolism:

1. Rick Dalton - The ultimate "square" still using Brylcreem and trying to be a James Dean tough guy
2. Cliff Booth - Represents "Captain America," an icon of American military values
3. The Manson Family - Embodies the counterculture movement at its most extreme

Cultural Context and Timing:

• Vietnam Era Setting - Military figures weren't respected as they are today
• 2019 Release - Came out during "peak woke" and cultural revolution period
• Audience Reception - Incredibly crowd-pleasing despite going against prevailing cultural narratives

The Reactionary Elements:

The film's moral arc differs significantly from other contemporary attempts:

• Traditional masculine figures defeat hippie counterculture through extreme violence
• Released during a time when such narratives were supposedly unpopular
• Audiences laughed and loved it, contradicting media narratives about cultural consensus

The Magical Ending:

The final scene shows Sharon Tate blissfully unaware of what just happened, with the camera panning up to suggest this alternate history where tragedy was averted through different choices.

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A Nostalgic Homage to Pre-Internet Movie Culture

Tarantino created something unprecedented: a paperback novelization that functions as an entirely new work of art, paying tribute to a forgotten aspect of movie culture.

The Lost Era of Movie Consumption:

1. One-Shot Theater Experience - Before internet and DVDs, missing a movie in theaters meant not seeing it at all
2. TV Limitations - Movies might appear on TV years later with cuts and commercials
3. Paperback Solution - Novelizations allowed fans to revisit favorite films multiple times

Tarantino's Unique Approach:

• Childhood Influence - Grew up reading novelizations of Star Wars and other films "like 14 times"
• Homage Format - Deliberately wrote it as a traditional paperback novelization
• Subversive Content - Despite the format, it's actually an entirely new novel

The Novel's Distinctive Features:

• Same World, Different Story - Set in the movie's universe but explores different themes
• Plot Dismissal - Casually mentions Rick Dalton "roasted a bunch of hippies" early on, then moves past it
• Deeper Exploration - Goes much further into Hollywood's transformation, the western show Lancer, and character development
• Great American Novel Claims - Potentially deserves recognition as significant American literature

Hidden Revelations:

The novel clarifies ambiguous movie elements:

• Cliff's Wife - Confirms he deliberately killed her with a spear gun
• Multiple Murders - Reveals this was "one of the three times that Cliff Booth committed murder and got away with it"

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Essential Insights:

1. Laughter as Power Reversal - Tarantino shows how responding to evil with amusement rather than fear can strip it of cultural influence
2. Counterculture Critique - The film presents traditional American archetypes defeating hippie culture during peak counterculture era
3. Novelization Innovation - Tarantino's paperback novel serves as both nostalgic homage and serious literary work exploring deeper themes

Actionable Insights:

• Consider how cultural narratives gain power through our emotional responses to them
• Recognize that crowd-pleasing entertainment can challenge prevailing cultural assumptions
• Understand that alternative formats (like novelizations) can provide deeper artistic exploration than traditional media

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Cultural Revolution Cycles in American History

Marc Andreessen draws a striking parallel between two major cultural upheavals in American history, suggesting we've witnessed a complete cycle of revolutionary change followed by conservative backlash.

The 1960s Cultural Revolution Pattern:

1. Revolutionary Period (1964-1972) - Hippie movement, Vietnam protests, and counterculture dominance
2. The Backlash - Nixon's 1972 landslide re-election across 49 states
3. Cultural Reset - American people decisively rejected the revolutionary movement

The Modern Parallel (2014-2024):

• Revolutionary Phase: Started around 2014-2015 with social justice movements
• Peak Intensity: 2020 Floyd riots and subsequent social upheaval
• The Turning Point: November 2024 election results
• Cultural Exhaustion: Similar pattern of public rejection of revolutionary change

Key Similarities:

• Both eras featured intense cultural polarization
• Revolutionary movements initially gained significant momentum
• Eventually triggered overwhelming electoral backlash
• Left supporters shocked by sudden reversal of fortunes
• Right-wing relief at the movement's apparent end

The analysis suggests America experiences these cyclical cultural revolutions roughly every 50-60 years, with each following a similar pattern of rise, peak intensity, and decisive rejection.

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The Ultimate Meta-Commentary on War Movies

Katherine Boyle makes the provocative argument that Tropic Thunder surpasses all traditional Vietnam War films by incorporating and satirizing every major entry in the genre while simultaneously critiquing Hollywood itself.

Films Referenced and Satirized:

• The Deer Hunter - Classic PTSD and trauma narratives
• Full Metal Jacket - Military training and dehumanization themes
• Born on the Fourth of July - Veteran homecoming struggles
• Apocalypse Now - Psychological horror of jungle warfare

Why It Works as Both Vietnam Commentary and Hollywood Satire:

1. Meta-Narrative Structure - A movie about making a Vietnam movie
2. Genre Deconstruction - Exposes the formulaic nature of war film tropes
3. Cultural Context - Released in 2008 during McCain vs. Obama election
4. Dual Commentary - Simultaneously critiques war films and Hollywood excess

The 2008 Election Year Context:

• McCain: Vietnam War POW running for president
• Obama: First Black presidential candidate
• Perfect Timing: Film's themes of race, war, and performance resonated with national political moment

The film succeeds by being simultaneously a brilliant comedy, a sharp Hollywood satire, and an incisive commentary on how America processes its military conflicts through entertainment.

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The Last Uncancellable Comedy Performance

Robert Downey Jr.'s blackface performance in Tropic Thunder represents a fascinating case study in how context, execution, and timing can make potentially controversial content not just acceptable, but Oscar-worthy.

The Performance Structure:

• Triple Meta-Acting: Downey Jr. playing a method actor playing a method actor in blackface
• Clear Satirical Target: White actors who go to extreme lengths to win Oscars
• Perfect Commitment: Stayed in character throughout entire production

How They Made It Work:

1. Pre-Screening Strategy - Invited NAACP members and thoughtful critics to early screenings
2. Universal Approval - Early viewers confirmed the satire was handled perfectly
3. Clear Intent - Obviously mocking pretentious white actors, not Black people
4. Academy Recognition - Downey Jr. received Oscar nomination for the role

The Cultural Timeline:

• 2008 Release: Universally beloved and critically acclaimed
• 2017-2018 Backlash: New generation of journalists attempted cancellation
• Survival: Downey Jr. successfully weathered the criticism without major consequences

Why It Worked:

• Satirical Clarity: The target of mockery was unmistakably white Hollywood pretension
• Execution Quality: Brilliant performance that served the satirical purpose
• Cultural Moment: Released before the hypersensitive cancel culture era fully emerged

The film demonstrates how sophisticated satire with clear targets and excellent execution can navigate even the most sensitive cultural territory.

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Essential Insights:

1. Cultural Revolution Cycles - America experiences major cultural upheavals every 50-60 years, with the 2014-2024 period mirroring the 1960s revolution and backlash pattern
2. Tropic Thunder's Genius - The 2008 film succeeds as both the ultimate Vietnam War movie satire and Hollywood critique by incorporating every major war film while deconstructing the genre
3. Context-Dependent Comedy - Robert Downey Jr.'s blackface performance survived because of clear satirical intent, perfect execution, and strategic pre-screening with cultural gatekeepers

Actionable Insights:

• Understanding historical patterns helps contextualize current cultural and political movements
• Sophisticated satire with clear targets can navigate sensitive territory when executed brilliantly
• Cultural timing and context determine what content can survive public scrutiny across different eras

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Complex Character Layering

Robert Downey Jr.'s performance in Tropic Thunder represents one of the most audacious acting choices in modern cinema - a white American actor playing a white Australian actor who performs in blackface as a Southern black character.

The Performance Structure:

1. Base Layer: Robert Downey Jr. as himself
2. First Character: Australian method actor with translucent green eyes and plummy accent
3. Final Role: Southern black man portrayed through blackface

Improvisation Genius:

• Spontaneous Creation: Much of Downey's portrayal was improvised on the spot
• Complete Inhabitation: He fully embodied the layered character throughout filming
• Method Within Method: Playing a method actor using method acting techniques

On-Screen Chemistry:

• Brilliant Dynamics: Exceptional interplay with the young black actor (Alpa Chino)
• Multi-Level Satire: Commentary on Hollywood's approach to "serious" acting
• Oscar Recognition: Downey received an Academy Award nomination for the role

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Innovative Marketing Genius

Tropic Thunder pioneered marketing strategies that wouldn't be matched until Barbie, creating an entire promotional ecosystem around the film's satirical elements.

Booty Sweat Campaign:

• Fictional Product Made Real: Alpa Chino's "Booty Sweat" drink became an actual marketed beverage
• Oscar Season Integration: Used the drink promotion throughout the entire Academy Awards campaign
• Multi-Platform Satire: Extended the film's Hollywood commentary into real marketing

Tom Cruise Secrecy Strategy:

• Hidden Casting: Kept Cruise's participation completely secret
• Legal Protection: Actually sued paparazzi who tried to photograph him on set
• Surprise Factor: Audiences discovered his Harvey Weinstein-inspired character in theaters
• Creative Control: Cruise improvised and essentially wrote his own role as Les Grossman

Long-Term Development:

• 20-Year Project: Ben Stiller had been developing the concept since the 1980s
• Perfect Timing: Finally produced when all elements aligned for maximum impact
• Industry Commentary: Successfully influenced actual Oscar voting and industry perception

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Strategic Image Rehabilitation

Tom Cruise's role in Tropic Thunder served as a masterful career resurrection following a period of significant public relations challenges.

Pre-Film Controversies:

• Public Relations Crisis: Cruise faced major controversies around Scientology and personal life issues
• Industry Concerns: Many worried he was no longer a bankable movie star
• Career Uncertainty: His future in Hollywood appeared questionable

Recovery Strategy:

• Character Choice: Specifically requested to play a Harvey Weinstein-inspired producer
• Creative Investment: Improvised and essentially wrote his entire Les Grossman role
• Risk-Taking: Embraced a completely different character type from his typical roles

Successful Outcome:

• Image Transformation: The role completely rehabilitated his public persona
• Career Boost: Became an even bigger movie star after the film's success
• Industry Respect: Demonstrated his range and willingness to take creative risks

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Cultural Time Capsule

The film serves as a stark reminder of how dramatically American cultural sensitivities shifted within just a decade, highlighting the speed of social change.

2008 Cultural Context:

• Oscar Nomination: American actor nominated for Academy Award while performing in blackface
• Industry Acceptance: Hollywood establishment embraced the satirical approach
• Limited Controversy: Most criticism came from fringe advocacy groups

Creator's Evolution:

• Ben Stiller's Transformation: Director became one of Hollywood's most progressive voices within 10 years
• Political Shift: Moved far left on social and political issues throughout the 2010s
• Possible Reaction: His ideological shift may have been influenced by having made the film

Historical Perspective:

• "Past as Foreign Country": Demonstrates how rapidly cultural norms can shift
• Generational Change: What was acceptable satire became completely unthinkable
• Industry Evolution: Reflects broader Hollywood's ideological transformation

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Multiple Satirical Targets

While most attention focuses on the blackface element, Tropic Thunder managed to satirize virtually every protected group, creating controversy across multiple communities.

Disability Advocacy Backlash:

• "Simple Jack" Character: Satirized films like What's Eating Gilbert Grape, Forrest Gump, and Rain Man
• Controversial Quote: Featured the line "never go full [r-word]"
• Primary Opposition: Disability advocates were actually the most vocal critics in 2008
• Required Apology: Ben Stiller had to apologize specifically for this content

Vietnam Veterans Concerns:

• Memoir Fraud Commentary: Satirized fake Vietnam War memoirs that were later exposed as fraudulent
• Character Background: The source memoir author was revealed as a Coast Guard member who never served in Vietnam
• Veterans Groups: Some were upset by the portrayal of military service and war narratives

Industry Stereotypes:

• Harvey Weinstein Parody: Tom Cruise's Les Grossman character offended some before the producer's true nature was widely known
• Multiple Targets: Managed to insult virtually every protected group through satirical commentary

Cultural Permission:

• Satire Defense: Most criticism was dismissed because it was framed as satirical commentary
• Different Era: Represented a time when satirical intent provided broader cultural protection

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Essential Insights:

1. Layered Performance Art - Robert Downey Jr.'s triple-layered character performance (American actor playing Australian actor in blackface) represents unprecedented acting complexity that earned Oscar recognition
2. Marketing Innovation - The film pioneered integrated marketing strategies, creating real products from fictional elements and maintaining complete secrecy around major casting decisions
3. Cultural Time Capsule - Demonstrates how rapidly American cultural standards shifted, with content acceptable for Oscar nominations in 2008 becoming completely unthinkable within a decade

Actionable Insights:

• Strategic career rehabilitation through unexpected creative risks can completely transform public perception
• Satirical commentary provided broader cultural permission for controversial content in the pre-2010s era
• Long-term creative projects (20+ years) can achieve perfect timing when cultural and industry conditions align

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Cultural Commentary Through Satire

Why Tropic Thunder Stands Apart:

1. Pre-Cultural Revolution Artifact - Made before the modern cancel culture era, representing a time when satirical commentary could be more direct and provocative
2. Multi-Layered Commentary - Takes direct aim at various aspects of American culture, including military service narratives and Hollywood pretensions
3. Brilliant Execution - Multiple levels of commentary that remain remarkable and relevant today

The Cultural Shift:

• 13-Year Gap: Movies like this were completely off-limits for over a decade
• Re-emerging Possibility: We're now entering a world where such films could potentially be made again
• Historical Perspective: Serves as a time capsule of pre-2010s comedic freedom

Performance Recognition:

• Robert Downey Jr.'s Role: Deserved Academy Award recognition for this performance rather than later winning for Oppenheimer
• Heath Ledger Factor: Would have won if not competing against Heath Ledger's iconic performance

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The Evolution of Public Figures

The Man Show Legacy:

• Original Format: Jimmy Kimmel co-hosted "The Man Show" 20 years ago with Adam Corolla
• Dramatic Contrast: Current public persona versus past comedic content represents a complete transformation
• Cultural Documentation: YouTube clips serve as evidence of how dramatically public figures have evolved

Tale of Two Comedians:

1. Jimmy Kimmel: Transitioned to mainstream late-night television with completely different sensibilities
2. Adam Corolla: Career took a dramatically different trajectory since the show ended
3. Divergent Paths: Their careers illustrate how the same starting point can lead to vastly different outcomes

Cultural Commentary:

• Long and Twisty Road: Demonstrates how public figures navigate changing cultural expectations
• Recent Controversies: Current outrage over Kimmel's positions becomes more interesting when viewed against his comedic history
• Historical Context: Shows the extent of cultural shift in acceptable public discourse

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Technical Excellence vs. Moral Clarity

What Worked in Oppenheimer:

• Christopher Nolan's Direction: Incredibly well-made movie with tremendous technical execution
• Outstanding Performances: Cillian Murphy's portrayal of Oppenheimer and Robert Downey Jr.'s Lewis Strauss
• Standout Supporting Cast: Benny Safdie's Edward Teller performance nearly stole the movie
• Historical Recreation: Fascinating watch with incredible attention to detail

The Critical Flaw:

1. Moral Inversion: The movie's morality is "very badly upside down"
2. Historical Misrepresentation: Incorrectly positions moral authorities and villains
3. Political Flattery: Appeals to current politics rather than historical accuracy
4. Missing Capital A Art: Failed to reach the level of truly great art despite technical excellence

The Controversial Take:

• Lewis Strauss as Hero: Argues that the supposed antagonist is actually the hero of the story
• Oppenheimer Critique: Questions the film's portrayal of Oppenheimer as unambiguous moral authority
• Einstein's Role: Challenges the movie's positioning of Einstein as key moral voice on nuclear weapons

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The Manhattan Project's Moral Complexity

Historical Context:

1. World War II Ending: Atomic bombs dropped on Japan in 1945 ended Pacific theater conflict sooner
2. Life-Saving Calculation: Prevented need for land invasion of Japan, potentially saving a million lives
3. Moral Complexity: Involved dropping bombs on two civilian cities, reflecting different wartime morality

The Manhattan Project Team:

• Finest Minds Assembly: Brought together America's top scientific talent
• Refugee Scientists: Many key members were Hungarian Jewish refugees fleeing Nazi Europe
• Edward Teller: Example of refugee scientist who helped arm the US against fascism
• Oppenheimer's Background: German Jewish, but his family had arrived in America much earlier

The Movie's Historical Recreation:

• First Half Accuracy: Historically grounded portrayal of the Manhattan Project development
• Elite Culture Saturation: One of the only film recreations showing how thoroughly communist ideology had penetrated American elite research establishments in the 1920s and 30s
• Berkeley Faculty Joke: Movie includes line about half the Berkeley faculty being communist, presented as both joke and reality

The Schizophrenic Nature:

• Split Personality: Movie deserves more credit for its historically accurate first half
• Cultural Documentation: Rare glimpse into the ideological landscape of American academic and research institutions

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Essential Insights:

1. Cultural Artifact Analysis - Tropic Thunder represents the last comedy made before modern cancel culture restrictions, serving as a brilliant multi-layered commentary that would be impossible to create today
2. Public Figure Evolution - Jimmy Kimmel's transformation from "The Man Show" to mainstream late-night television exemplifies how dramatically public figures adapt to changing cultural expectations
3. Historical Moral Complexity - Oppenheimer, despite technical excellence, fails as great art by inverting historical morality and misrepresenting key figures' roles in nuclear weapons development

Actionable Insights:

• Study historical comedies and films as cultural time capsules that reveal societal values and acceptable discourse boundaries
• Examine public figures' career trajectories to understand how cultural shifts influence professional evolution and public positioning
• Approach historical films critically, separating technical craftsmanship from moral and historical accuracy in storytelling

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Historical Reality of Espionage

The Manhattan Project's security concerns weren't paranoid overreactions—they were completely justified warnings that came true in devastating fashion.

The Leak That Changed History:

1. Complete Intelligence Breach - Nuclear secrets literally "walked right out the door" from Los Alamos
2. Direct Soviet Access - Both atomic bomb concepts and specific wiring instructions were transferred to Stalin's regime
3. Wire-for-Wire Replication - The first Soviet atomic bomb was completely compatible with the US Nagasaki bomb design

Key Security Failures:

• Famous Spy Networks: The Rosenbergs and David Greenlass were among the confirmed Soviet assets
• Technical Specifications: Soviets received detailed wiring diagrams for nuclear detonation—critical since atomic bombs are extremely difficult to detonate properly
• Rapid Soviet Development: Stalin obtained nuclear capability much faster than expected due to stolen American research

The Vindicated Security Officers:

• Boris Pash: Portrayed in Oppenheimer as overly suspicious, but his concerns about communist infiltration proved entirely correct
• Lewis Strauss: Also worried about security breaches and was ultimately right about the broader espionage threat
• Legitimate Concerns: What appeared as persecution of scientists was actually response to real and present danger

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The Complex Question of Loyalty

The historical debate around Oppenheimer involves multiple layers of potential disloyalty, from direct espionage to ideological unreliability.

The Spy Question:

• General Historical View: Oppenheimer himself wasn't literally a Soviet asset
• Ongoing Ambiguity: Some questions remain about his potential direct involvement
• Broader Trustworthiness: Even if not a spy, concerns existed about his reliability for classified work

The Hydrogen Bomb Controversy:

1. Selective Opposition - Worked intensively to deliver atomic bomb against Germany and Japan
2. Sudden Resistance - Allegedly slow-rolled hydrogen bomb development aimed at Soviet deterrence
3. Suspicious Timing - Enthusiastic about bombs for Axis powers, reluctant about weapons targeting USSR

Communist Connections:

• Family Network: Wife, girlfriend, and brother were all confirmed communists
• Lifelong Associations: Surrounded by communist and communist-adjacent organizations throughout his career
• Strategic Non-Membership: Never officially joined Communist Party—possibly following Soviet practice of protecting valuable assets

The Protection Strategy:

Soviet intelligence deliberately kept their best-placed assets from joining the Communist Party to shield them from exactly the kind of security review Oppenheimer eventually faced.

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The Uncomfortable Truth About Einstein's Politics

The film presents Einstein as a moral exemplar, but historical evidence reveals a dramatically different political reality.

Einstein's Actual Political Beliefs:

• Full Stalinist: Not just pro-communist, but specifically supportive of Stalin's regime
• Anti-Democratic: Believed American democracy was inadequate and ineffective
• Authoritarian Preference: Thought communist dictatorship was necessary for proper governance

Historical Documentation:

The book When Reason Goes on Holiday reconstructs Einstein's political positions through his own writings and speeches, revealing the extent of his Stalinist sympathies.

Movie's Moral Framework Problem:

1. False Heroes: Presents both Oppenheimer and Einstein as "moral adults in the room"
2. Selective Morality: Ignores Einstein's support for one of history's most brutal dictatorships
3. Audience Deception: Fails to acknowledge the complex political realities of the era

The Irony:

The film criticizes atomic weapons development while lionizing someone who supported a regime that would eventually acquire those same weapons through espionage and use them as tools of international intimidation.

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The Paradox of Destructive Peace

Eighty years of hindsight reveals that nuclear weapons may have accomplished the opposite of their feared purpose—preventing rather than causing global catastrophe.

The Expected War That Never Came:

• Universal Assumption: Military and political leaders in 1945 took World War III with the Soviet Union as inevitable
• Projected Casualties: Expected land war in Europe would have killed approximately 200 million people
• Historical Pattern: Given geopolitical tensions, especially in the 1960s and 1970s, such a war would have been likely in any previous era

Mutually Assured Destruction Success:

1. The Dog That Didn't Bite - World War III simply never happened
2. Cold War Instead - Nuclear deterrence created tense peace rather than hot war
3. Ongoing Prevention - Nuclear weapons may continue preventing major power conflicts for centuries

Modern Applications:

The same deterrent effect may currently be preventing hot war between the US and China, as both nations possess nuclear capabilities.

The Moral Calculation:

By building weapons capable of destroying the world, scientists like Oppenheimer and Edward Teller may have actually saved hundreds of millions of lives by making major wars impossible.

Historical Vindication:

Rather than the moral condemnation the film suggests, the nuclear program's architects might deserve credit for one of history's most successful peace-keeping innovations.

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Essential Insights:

1. Security Vindication - Manhattan Project security concerns were completely justified; nuclear secrets did leak directly to Stalin through confirmed spy networks
2. Complex Loyalties - Oppenheimer's reliability questions involved both potential espionage and selective opposition to weapons targeting the Soviet Union versus Axis powers
3. Historical Revisionism - The film's portrayal of Einstein as a moral exemplar ignores his documented Stalinist sympathies and anti-democratic beliefs

Actionable Insights:

• Historical films require critical analysis against documented evidence rather than accepting dramatic narratives at face value
• Nuclear deterrence theory gains credibility from 80 years of prevented major power conflicts
• Security concerns in classified programs often reflect legitimate threats rather than paranoid overreaction

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Film Structure Analysis

Katherine Boyle breaks down Christopher Nolan's Oppenheimer as having three distinct sections that create a "schizophrenic" viewing experience:

The Three-Act Problem:

1. Berkeley Section - Complex character portrayal showing Oppenheimer's nuanced personality
2. Manhattan Project - Exceptional filmmaking with incredible visuals, sound editing, and score (won 10 Oscars)
3. Security Clearance - Problematic conclusion that undermines the film's moral complexity

The Filmmaker's Retreat:

• Moral Ambiguity Abandoned: Instead of ending with Oppenheimer's haunting vision of Hiroshima victims during his Los Alamos speech, the film continues
• Neat Bow Syndrome: The third act ties up loose ends that have "nothing to do with the thing that happened before"
• Hero Rehabilitation: Transforms from complex moral questions to painting Oppenheimer as definitively "a good man"
• Villain Substitution: Shifts blame to "evil bureaucracy" and "national security hawks" rather than exploring genuine ethical complexity

Contemporary Parallels:

The film's messaging mirrors 2023 AI discourse where scientists claim special authority over their innovations' implications, suggesting "it's normal for people who build incredible things to actually regret their innovation."

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The Contrarian Reading

Marc Andreessen presents a provocative interpretation that flips the film's intended narrative:

Strauss's Vindication:

• Correct Assessment: Strauss accurately judged that Oppenheimer "could not be trusted" and needed removal from the project
• Einstein's Number: Beyond jealousy, Strauss understood that Einstein was also "not to be trusted" - which was "100% true"
• Proper Authority: Recognized that scientists lack special moral claims over their technological innovations

The Truman Scene's Power:

The film includes a crucial real-life encounter between Oppenheimer and President Truman:

Historical Context:

• Oppenheimer's Guilt: Visited Truman expressing enormous guilt over the atomic bomb
• Truman's Response: Called him a "weepy son of a bitch" and banned him from the White House
• Clear Authority: Told Oppenheimer: "Robert, you didn't make the decision to drop the bomb. It's not on you. I made the decision."

The Moral Framework:

• Democratic Authority: The elected commander-in-chief, not the scientist, has moral authority over technology deployment
• Proper Governance: In the American system, elected representatives make these decisions, not inventors
• Fantasy Ending: Andreessen wishes the film had ended with the Truman scene, showing proper democratic accountability

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The Political Evolution of a Masterpiece

Marc Andreessen analyzes how Fight Club's political interpretation has completely reversed over 25 years:

Original Leftwing Intent (1999):

• Anti-Capitalist Message: Based on the novel's leftwing anarchism critique
• Corporate Alienation: Office drone protagonist represents capitalism crushing spirits
• System Destruction: Climax involves destroying bank/credit card records to "wipe the slate clean"
• Economic Reset: Aims to start economy and society over again
• '90s Luigi Leftism: Capitalism portrayed as horrible right-wing machine

Modern Rightwing Reading (2024):

• Demographic Shift: Now viewed as privileged white male protagonist
• Incel Archetype: Seen as white male with "every advantage" developing persecution complex
• Identity Politics Lens: Filtered through contemporary racial and gender frameworks

The Critique Reversal:

Then (Leftwing): Capitalism bad, destroys community Now (Rightwing): Neoliberal capitalism atomizes society, destroys family and community bonds

Artistic Permanence:

• True Art: Stands test of time with evolving meanings across decades
• Social Prism: Functions as lens for understanding society at any point
• Interpretive Flexibility: New meanings emerge as society evolves

Creator's Intent vs. Reception:

A filmmaker involved in the production insisted the ending shows regret and tragedy, but Andreessen suggests minor AI tweaks to the final scene could completely alter the film's perceived message.

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Essential Insights:

1. Oppenheimer's Structural Flaw - The film's third act abandons moral complexity for neat resolution, undermining its artistic integrity
2. Democratic Authority Over Technology - Scientists lack special moral claims over their innovations; elected leaders rightfully hold decision-making power
3. Fight Club's Political Metamorphosis - Great art evolves meaning across decades, with Fight Club transforming from leftwing anti-capitalism to rightwing critique of atomization

Actionable Insights:

• Film Analysis Framework: Look for how movies retreat from complexity in final acts to satisfy contemporary moral expectations
• Technology Governance Principle: Distinguish between technical expertise and moral authority in policy decisions
• Cultural Interpretation Evolution: Recognize how political lenses shift over time, changing how we read the same artistic works

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Artistic Legacy and Cultural Impact

Marc Andreessen argues that Fight Club transcends typical movie categorization to become genuine art that will endure for generations.

Why Fight Club Qualifies as Art:

1. Multiple Valid Interpretations - The film can be read as either left-wing or right-wing depending on perspective
2. Enduring Discussion Value - Will likely be analyzed and debated 100 years from now
3. Complex Layered Meaning - Requires viewers to engage intellectually rather than passively consume

The Interpretation Challenge:

• Surface Level Reading: Appears to be pure nihilism, destruction, sex and violence without purpose
• Deeper Analysis Required: Viewers must develop a lens or catch the film's central idea to watch it properly
• Creator Confusion: Even the filmmakers have been accused of misinterpreting their own work

Recent Cultural Relevance:

The film gained renewed attention through viral Brad Pitt and Edward Norton PSAs from 1999, showcasing:

• Brad Pitt's comedic talent and thoughtful approach to all projects
• A lost era when actors created entertaining theater etiquette content
• The film's continued cultural resonance 25 years later

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The Golden Year of Cinema

1999 stands out as potentially the best single year for movies in the last 40+ years, producing multiple culturally significant films that continue to influence discussions today.

What Made 1999 Special:

1. Fight Club - Complex exploration of masculinity and consumerism
2. American Beauty - Suburban alienation and middle-class critique
3. Multiple Masterpieces - An unprecedented concentration of lasting films

Common Thematic Elements:

• Anti-Consumerism Critique - David Foster Wallace-esque examination of how materialism destroys authentic living
• Suburban Alienation - The psychological cost of middle-class American life
• Masculine Identity Crisis - Men feeling constrained by societal expectations and consumer culture
• Nihilistic Undertones - Surface-level despair masking deeper philosophical questions

The Cultural Moment:

These films captured a specific end-of-millennium anxiety about:

• The suburbanization of America destroying individual freedom
• Consumerism as a force that constrains authentic masculine expression
• The need to reclaim genuine human connection and purpose
• A society moving toward spiritual emptiness despite material prosperity

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The Evolution of Cultural Critique

Katherine Boyle explores whether Fight Club's specific brand of social commentary could exist in contemporary filmmaking, given how both the medium and the critique have evolved.

Original 1990s Context:

• Target of Critique: Walmart and traditional capitalism as destroyers of authentic life
• Masculine Freedom Theme: Consumerism and suburbanization constraining men's authentic expression
• Cultural Moment: End-of-decade anxiety about material prosperity vs. spiritual emptiness

Modern Filmmaking Challenges:

1. Different Villains: The critique has shifted from Walmart to tech companies
2. Changed Ethos: A contemporary version would likely have a completely different philosophical approach
3. Same Core Issues: The underlying conversation about authenticity vs. consumerism continues today

Why the Original Was Difficult:

• Production Struggles: Very hard to get made even in the more permissive 1990s
• Audience Confusion: Initial viewers didn't know what to make of it
• Misinterpretation Risk: Easy to read as simple nihilism rather than sophisticated critique
• Controversial Reception: Polarized audiences and critics upon release

Contemporary Possibilities:

The film could probably be made today, but would require:

• Updated targets (tech instead of traditional retail)
• Different philosophical framework
• New approach to the masculinity and authenticity themes

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Essential Insights:

1. Fight Club as Art - Marc argues the film transcends entertainment to become lasting art that will be discussed for generations due to its multiple valid interpretations
2. 1999 Golden Year - The year produced an unprecedented concentration of culturally significant films including Fight Club and American Beauty
3. Cultural Evolution - The same critiques of consumerism and authenticity exist today but with different targets (tech vs. Walmart)

Actionable Insights:

• Great art requires viewers to engage intellectually rather than consume passively
• Cultural critiques must evolve their targets while maintaining core philosophical questions
• The most enduring films capture specific cultural moments while addressing universal human concerns

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